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re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:30 am to TJGator1215
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:30 am to TJGator1215
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That would wreck any team.
So the team was wrecked under Muschamp and he gets a pass from you.
Mac inherits the wreck from Muschamp and you don't want to give him long enough to have a chance to fix the wreck?
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:40 am to TJGator1215
Quincy Wilson, Alex McCalister, Joey Ivie, Jarrad Davis, and Antonio Morrison were all three stars. Two of them are going to be first round picks. How come those three stars turned into first round picks, but the three stars who were all conference or all American as freshmen can't become that one day?
Lol at Muschamp leaving Driskel. Driskel was in dire need of a change of scenery. He was done at UF long before Mac was hired.
Nick washington, Duke Dawson, and Marvell Harris have all been developed by the current staff. They spent three years under Mac.
No one would argue that he left a lot of defensive talent. We've all said for a while now that Muschamps problem was not being able to develop offensive talent and find ways to make them successful on the field. KT was not a bust as he ran for 1,000 yards his junior year (he just didn't live up to the 5 star hype, probably partially due to not having a passing threat at QB), DRob was good for us but struggled to stay out of trouble. You can pick and choose from a listed of a couple of decent players, but all in all, the offensive talent Muschamp left was subpar to put it nicely.
Lol at Muschamp leaving Driskel. Driskel was in dire need of a change of scenery. He was done at UF long before Mac was hired.
Nick washington, Duke Dawson, and Marvell Harris have all been developed by the current staff. They spent three years under Mac.
No one would argue that he left a lot of defensive talent. We've all said for a while now that Muschamps problem was not being able to develop offensive talent and find ways to make them successful on the field. KT was not a bust as he ran for 1,000 yards his junior year (he just didn't live up to the 5 star hype, probably partially due to not having a passing threat at QB), DRob was good for us but struggled to stay out of trouble. You can pick and choose from a listed of a couple of decent players, but all in all, the offensive talent Muschamp left was subpar to put it nicely.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:16 am to TJGator1215
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Brissett
Driskel
Taylor
Jones
DRob
Mcgee
Green
Garcia
Brown
Humphries
Brissett transferred and did fine, Driskel transferred and did fine and we're talking about what McElwain was left with, not in the entire tenure.
One player you mentioned in your entire list was a round 1 OR round 2 and that's Humphries. Gilbert and Pouncey were Meyer recruits and that was the last time we had two offensive players (2011) go high in the NFL draft.
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How many of Mac's offensive players will make the nfl?
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Ivey-though he's half a WM recruit too.
Cleveland
Maybe Scarlett
Callaway
Cleveland
Goolsby (Never played for Muschamp)
Martez Ivey (bullshite on being half a Muschamp recruit)
Scarlett
Perine
Mark Thompson
Considering how much improved the OL looked against Iowa, probably a good number of the OL.
Considering how freshmen and sophomore have been our best offensive weapons, probably a good number of them.
We'll see, but like I've been saying: It's early in his tenure, and he's rebuilding an absolutely terrible offense.
You admit that the OL was thin, but whose fault was it to recruit depth at those positions? Who rode Meyer recruits into the ground and only elected to recruit two OL a year?
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I'm following the conservation just fine.
Dumb. frick.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 7:33 pm to atlgator
How many of his 1st rd picks were 4-5-*s a whole lot more. 3*S being 1st rd picks are outliers. I'm not saying Mac can't find a few gems, but he literally stacked the entire team mostly with 3*s. Most 3*s UF gets that are OL, or ST. Most don't pan out here. That's a bad sign when your roster is made up 60%+ of them
Posted on 3/2/17 at 7:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I see you can't read or stick to the outlines of my argument. Carry on though
Posted on 3/2/17 at 9:26 pm to TJGator1215
Just to be clear
So the team was wrecked under Muschamp and he gets a pass from you.
Mac inherits the wreck from Muschamp and you don't want to give him long enough to have a chance to fix the wreck?
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That would wreck any team.
So the team was wrecked under Muschamp and he gets a pass from you.
Mac inherits the wreck from Muschamp and you don't want to give him long enough to have a chance to fix the wreck?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 1:36 am to atlgator
Waiting for that answer, TJ.
Also want to know why Kirby gets a pass on a bad offensive line but McElwain does not.
Also want to know why Kirby gets a pass on a bad offensive line but McElwain does not.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 4:23 am to atlgator
No I was explaining why Mac got left a thin OL. It's an excuse just not a good one. I said Mac gets a little bit of a pass. There is none for lasts yrs Offensive disaster. Mac is a below avg HC like WM and a below avg recruiter unlike WM. Their 1st 2 yrs were almost identical.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 4:24 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Because Mac brought back his entire OL save for Taylor this yr. Kirbys teams at least showed improvement. Kirby is fixing his with 6 4-5* OL players. Mac has signed 3 total 4-5* players in a longer time span.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 4:32 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 4:37 am to atlgator
Duke, Harris and Washington weren't developed by this staff they couldn't get on the field because there was 1st rd picks ahead of them. I never said KT21 was a bust JR Sat behind nfl talent in Matt Jones. There was talent there. The OL places it was truly thin was OL and talent at WR and QB. Again. WM was a terrible HC but if Mac was an offensive genius he would've adapted his offense to his personnel. He didn't help Treon and he still can't find a QB. This will all be mute when he's fired this year.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:06 am to TJGator1215
Speaking of QBs can either of produce any QB that Mac or Nuss has recruited that has ever done anything?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:48 am to TJGator1215
To be fair, lately Mac had been jumping from school to school because he was climbing the latter so fast. He got great QB play out of Garrett Grayson at Colorado State and it took him 3 years to take them from 2-10 to 10-2. I don't know if he recruited Garrett Grayson or not, but Grayson would not have been an NFL QB if it weren't for Mac.
At Alabama, Mac had McElroy when he took over and recruited AJ McCarron, who, if I'm not mistaken, was a 4 year started and won 3 national championships. He also recruited a four star who never saw the field because of McCarron (I know you'll like that) Mac got McCarron to be a Heisman finalist and throw for 30 touchdowns and only 3 interceptions one year. He also had a Heisman winning running back. Don't try to make the argument to downplay Mac's influence at Alabama, ask any of their fans. They love Mac.
When Nuss was there in 2012/2013 Alabama recruited future National Champion Blake Sims and a guy who was highly rated but ended up transferring in Cooper Bateman.
I just wanted to be clear that you're giving Mac a pass for the year that he had 6 offensive linemen. That's a good start. Now, we have to understand the bad OL play last year. It was a combination of the youth and being soft. Thanks Summers. This year will be better because we introduced better coaching, Martez Ivey is back playing his natural position, another year for the line to become more cohesive and the depth finally for an injury on the OL to not be a killer, and another year for guys to get more experience. All of this, along with the quarterback position hopefully threatening to be able to pass a little bit, will cause defenses to stop stacking the box, which will in turn make it easier for the offensive line to do their assignment and create a clean pocket for QBs and running lanes for running backs.
I think that's one position where we see some really good improvement.
At Alabama, Mac had McElroy when he took over and recruited AJ McCarron, who, if I'm not mistaken, was a 4 year started and won 3 national championships. He also recruited a four star who never saw the field because of McCarron (I know you'll like that) Mac got McCarron to be a Heisman finalist and throw for 30 touchdowns and only 3 interceptions one year. He also had a Heisman winning running back. Don't try to make the argument to downplay Mac's influence at Alabama, ask any of their fans. They love Mac.
When Nuss was there in 2012/2013 Alabama recruited future National Champion Blake Sims and a guy who was highly rated but ended up transferring in Cooper Bateman.
I just wanted to be clear that you're giving Mac a pass for the year that he had 6 offensive linemen. That's a good start. Now, we have to understand the bad OL play last year. It was a combination of the youth and being soft. Thanks Summers. This year will be better because we introduced better coaching, Martez Ivey is back playing his natural position, another year for the line to become more cohesive and the depth finally for an injury on the OL to not be a killer, and another year for guys to get more experience. All of this, along with the quarterback position hopefully threatening to be able to pass a little bit, will cause defenses to stop stacking the box, which will in turn make it easier for the offensive line to do their assignment and create a clean pocket for QBs and running lanes for running backs.
I think that's one position where we see some really good improvement.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:07 am to atlgator
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It was a combination of the youth and being soft. Thanks Summers. This year will be better because we introduced better coaching, Martez Ivey is back playing his natural position, another year for the line to become more cohesive and the depth finally for an injury on the OL to not be a killer
Yep, and I liked hearing that McElwain was putting the majority of his focus on the line this year. Furthermore, the very last part: When was the last time we had an OL go down and he actually had a backup at the same position, where we didn't have to rotate half of the line to compensate?
I really don't know.
As for everything I've seen, and for TJ saying they're ''improving'', Georgia had a lot more talent and experience on their line (three of their players had more DI starts than four of our starting linemen combined in 2015).
The line's gotten better, the receivers are actually making plays and even with absolutely broken, destitute quarterback play our team has beaten LSU on the road -- even with a large chunk of our best players at their respective positions being out.
However, I do hope to see that McElwain has developed a quarterback, even if it's a RSFreshman. Grier looked serviceable and generally gifted, if Franks or Trask can do what he did, we'll be just fine and dandy.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:45 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Grier was on his way to throwing 20 TDs and 7/8 INTs as a freshman. If franks or Trask do that this year we're going back to Atlanta
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:05 am to atlgator
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Your silence is deafening Straws... clearly atlgator can't be an idiot because he supports your view... or maybe it's just that typos on a message board don't necessarily an idiot make.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:12 am to atlgator
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If
You know it's the offseason when...
I'm not disagreeing that one of those guys could possibly do it, but Eason threw for 16/8 last season as a true freshman and ran another in... not that far off the mark and you and I both know that UGA wasn't likely "Atlanta bound" if you give him 3-4 more...
If I cherry pick where the scores happen, one against Tennessee, one against Vandy, and 2 against Florida (and then a subsequent OT win?), I guess that's enough to put us there, but the reality is those 4 extra TDs likely come against a Nicholls for example (or in 2017 UF's case, Northern Colorado or UAB's recently recreated football team).
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:18 am to fibonaccisquared
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I'm not disagreeing that one of those guys could possibly do it, but Eason threw for 16/8 last season as a true freshman and ran another in... not that far off the mark and you and I both know that UGA wasn't likely "Atlanta bound" if you give him 3-4 more...
Yeah, there's a lapse in coaching.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:44 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Yeah, there's a lapse in coaching.
Sure... Florida has 9 starting defensive players that are draft eligible and gone this year, returning only 53% of all defensive production and you'll have near zero drop off because the coaching is so good that it's ok that they weren't replaced with guys that were rated as highly...
Using Connely's projections, it should mean that you remain pretty flat production wise, giving up a little more than 2 points per game than last year, but scoring about 2 points more per game as well. UGA "projects" to have about a 6 point per game swing in total between increased offense and decreased opponent scoring based on defensive returns... Not sure I buy the projections, but the correlation is pretty strong for returning production.
Interestingly enough, SEC chances aside, this Michigan matchup should actually favor you guys heavily. I knew it was bad for them but hadn't seen the actual breakdown, but they are returning only 34% of total production. 46% on the offensive side and only 22% on the defensive side. Now, Michigan has recruited well to be sure, but that's an awful lot of production to make up for in game 1... If there's one thing that we can agree on at all... it's eff Harbaugh. Right in the A.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 1:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
Is this thread still Florida fans bitching at each other?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 2:42 pm to JamalSanders
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Is this thread still Florida fans bitching at each other?
It's one reasonably level headed Florida fan giving another less level headed Florida fan confidence that he's right, while another Florida fan points out (often times in a poorly constructed manner even if correct) that there might be a leak in the vessel. Meanwhile, I tend to just hop in and aim to add a little of this to the conversation: 
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