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re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Having an inexperienced OL is not an excuse neither is the 6 OL bs for yr 2. Mac built this offense and it sucks. It doesn't know how to even recruit and develop QBs. It's year 3 but the man who said he could win with his dog can't find a good QB.Franks and Trask are projects, Appleby was average at best and LDR sucked. He's had 4 QBs and the only 1 that looked decent he didn't recruit and he let leave instead of letting him start. Hell look at This years QB recruiting. We're chasing recruited kids and the kid that wants to come in Milton we haven't offered. This staff has zero ability to evaluate the position and the projects and reaches they've taken confirms that. Franks is probably another year away because he still can't read a defense just like in the spring game. Trask is a backup and Allen is depth who will never start here. He's morningwheg 2.0
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:47 pm to djsdawg
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Thats because we our RG, who was benched in 2015, was forced to play RT all season long.
Whoa, dude. Our RT was playing RG, our RG was playing Center and our RT was replaced by a true freshman. In 2015 it was worse. Way worse.
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Starts? He only played in 2 games in 2015 because he was a DL the year before. Never played a meaningful snap until 2016.
Sorry, so the worst player on your offensive line was like three players on our offensive line in 2015. Zero starts.
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Oh, so UF can have busts, but UGA can't?
All three of your highly recruited receivers were busts, along with your four star TE's and your five star athlete?
That's a frick ton of busts...or someone doesn't coach very well. I'll leave that up to you to find out.
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You are still trying to argue having a true freshman at QB is an advantage over a guy who had a 146 passer rating in 2014? You may think Treon sucked, but that just means he played like most true freshman QB's do. It's silly to make this anything other than a wash.
I don't think Treon sucked, everyone thinks Treon sucks. He was not a quarterback.
In the six games that he started, he had less than 10 completions in four of them.
Five or less in three of those.
Eason had two games out of 13.
In 2015, he got beat out by a RSFreshman, and if Eason played at Florida he'd get beat out by him as well. Treon Harris was never a quarterback, Eason is an amazing prospect at quarterback even if he's young.
shite, Muschamp made his freshman quarterback look good.
Considering how Georgia performed (beat Mizzou, a team that was getting mauled by everyone by one point, Kentucky by 3, 2 points by FCS Nicholls, destroyed by Ole Miss, a loss at home to Vanderbilt...), and considering how I've proven that you had talent on the line, a great QB who while young, is still a good prospect, and quite a few playmakers at skill positions (twice as many as Florida in the same span of time) and still managed numbers like that...
Welcome to your Muschamp, damn I hope you enjoy the ride -- because you guys outrecruited Vandy, Kentucky, Nicholls and even Ole Miss routinely, as well as us for the last three years now.
We'll see if, uh, Kirby learns something on the off-season.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:15 am to Glory, Glory
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I called a bullshite thread
Hear, hear.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:49 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Whoa, dude. Our RT was playing RG, our RG was playing Center and our RT was replaced by a true freshman. In 2015 it was worse. Way worse.
Was your starting LT a grad transfer from Rhode Island? Your *opinion* is that your situation was worse... an objective opinion is that both were shitty offensive lines.
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All three of your highly recruited receivers were busts
Not going to TE's because I think TE is not a talent issue but scheme, but yes, when the best WR you have is actually a specialist kick return guy, that's pretty indicative that the talent at WR is insufficient. Godwin will likely be best operating out of the slot which was occupied by McKenzie last year. Ridley has been pretty good outside, but was a freshman so had his moments. Javon Wims was a JUCO guy but even still wasn't exactly the beast that many hoped last year... took a while for the lights to come on. The rest largely struggle... We have WRs that are good blockers (shitty hands) and WRs that have good hands (shitty blockers). It makes offensive playcalling a bit difficult when just the players you put on the field essentially tips your pitch so to speak.
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Treon v. Eason
Again, it's strictly opinion here. I think Treon is a shitty QB but a good athlete... for the scheme that you guys ran (out of necessity), it didn't take a great QB to be successful. Eason had freshman struggles... he looked good at times and looked terrible at others. Do I think Eason will be better than Treon long term? Absolutely, but in the short term, he doesn't have the benefit of being able to tuck and run like the more athletic Treon... There is a reason that teams that struggle to secure elite talent typically run an offense with a DT QB... it's easier to find success early on.
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Considering how Georgia performed (beat Mizzou, a team that was getting mauled by everyone by one point, Kentucky by 3, 2 points by FCS Nicholls, destroyed by Ole Miss, a loss at home to Vanderbilt...)
Holy Glass Houses Batman...
2015 UF -
5 Point win Kentucky, 1 point win Tennessee, 2 point win Vandy, OT game at home against Florida Atlantic, and a 34 point loss to Michigan...
All teams that you have recruited better than over the preceding 4-5 years. Using margin of victory/defeat to prove a point is pretty meaningless...
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and considering how I've proven that you had talent on the line, a great QB who while young, is still a good prospect, and quite a few playmakers at skill positions (twice as many as Florida in the same span of time) and still managed numbers like that...
Here's where you keep confusing "proof" with "biased opinion"... There's a reason no one is jumping in to agree with you on many of your claims. First of all, it's because this thread is shite and should be shot, but secondly it's because you have a really hard time discerning the difference between agreed upon facts and "I wear blue and orange sunglasses" opinions...
You complained that the thread existed, and yet keep it alive with nonsensical drivel that I'm sure you truly believe is some form of educated opinion. Just let it die already...
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:27 am to fibonaccisquared
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Was your starting LT a grad transfer from Rhode Island? Your *opinion* is that your situation was worse... an objective opinion is that both were shitty offensive lines.
That would be Mason Halter of 2015 and he was from Fordham. This is a conversation comparing the 2015 offensive line (McElwain's first year) and the 2016 Georgia line to see if it's an excuse for the abysmal play this last season. McElwain did more with less on offense.
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Again, it's strictly opinion here. I think Treon is a shitty QB but a good athlete
There is no getting around Treon being a terrible quarterback. He's not even a quarterback. I'd take a 5 star prospect quarterback over an athlete playing quarterback any day of the week -- as would you.
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Holy Glass Houses Batman...
2015 UF -
5 Point win Kentucky, 1 point win Tennessee, 2 point win Vandy, OT game at home against Florida Atlantic, and a 34 point loss to Michigan...
All teams that you have recruited better than over the preceding 4-5 years. Using margin of victory/defeat to prove a point is pretty meaningless...
Not on offense, sir. Hence why I actually used the offensive line point -- we had only one offensive lineman who had any experience in D1 football, the other three (one of which was a converted DE) hadn't a single start the previous or any other season and one actually played a little.
Georgia has recruited decently on offense and defense, which is the complete opposite of McElwain who was literally left with no offense outside of Will Grier and his recruit Callaway.
If you're left with no offensive line, no kicker, no quarterback, one running back and one receiver (who is your Tight End) there's an excuse.
If you're left with four offensive linemen, three decent receivers (I only went back two years), a five-star athlete, a five star quarterback, TWO five-star running backs and you call that a ''handicap'' you have a problem.
Read it again. At every position (even at TE, having two 4*s is impressive) you have five stars.
2016 Georgia Offense
Receivers: 3 4*, 1 5*.
Running backs: 2 5*.
Quarterback: 5*.
TE: 2 4*.
LT: 4*
LG: 4*
C: 4*
RG: 3* (Backed up by a 4*)
RT: 4*
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2015 Gators Offense
QB: 4* Athlete
RB: 5*
WR: 2 4*s
TE: 2* (Jake McGee)
LT: DII Transfer
LG: 3* (Backup was 3* freshman)
C: 3* (Backup was 3* freshman)
RG: 3* Defensive End Converted OG (Backup is 3* nobody.)
RT: 4*!!!!!! (Backup was 3* freshman)
So...you guys have one 3 star player on your entire offensive roster, more experience at every position, your line has, combined 19 stars vs. 13.
I don't think anyone on this board is going to be convinced that talent on offense was the issue. Richt left the program with decent players on both sides of the ball, Muschamp left the Gators offense completely butchered.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:48 am to TJGator1215
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Having an inexperienced OL is not an excuse neither is the 6 OL
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Richts recruiting the last 2 yrs put UGA in a huge hole talent wise along the OL
It's only an excuse when it's Georgia, apparently. So why don't you lighten up on the 2015 Gator roster when Muschamp left McElwain in a worse position?
Is it 'cause you're intellectually dishonest? Yep yep.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Georgia has recruited decently on offense and defense, which is the complete opposite of McElwain who was literally left with no offense outside of Will Grier and his recruit Callaway.
You can continue to say this until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that I've shown you exactly how well Muschamp recruited at both offense and defense... I'm fairly sure it's *in this thread* if you read back a bit... You choose to say that guys didn't develop or were busts, but ultimately using "stars" as your barometer for whether a program has the right parts to be successful is equating raw talent adding up to a cohesive offensive unit.
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2015 Gators Offense
QB: 4* Athlete
RB: 5*
WR: 2 4*s
TE: 2* (Jake McGee)
LT: DII Transfer
LG: 3* (Backup was 3* freshman)
C: 3* (Backup was 3* freshman)
RG: 3* Defensive End Converted OG (Backup is 3* nobody.)
RT: 4*!!!!!! (Backup was 3* freshman)
Where is consensus 5* Martez Ivey? Played in 12 games and started the last 8 in 2015?
Ultimately, I can point to teams that had better offensive lines with 2-3* guys... you're not proving a point by trying to add up numbers and equating that to the offensive line ability.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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That process begins Tuesday when UF opens spring practice.
Florida was last in the SEC and 116th nationally in total offense last season at 344.0 yards per game and was 107th in scoring offense (23.9 points per game). Florida and Vanderbilt are the only SEC teams this decade never to average 400 yards per game in a season.
Butters is helping set records alright
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:02 pm to fibonaccisquared
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the fact that I've shown you exactly how well Muschamp recruited at both offense and defense...
Not even TJ thinks Muschamp left the Florida Gators with a good offense.
What on Earth are you talking about? He was 100th in offense every year he was at Florida, and consistently ruined offensive players.
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Where is consensus 5* Martez Ivey? Played in 12 games and started the last 8 in 2015?
Injured in the beginning of the season and filled in here and there, and was playing backup to Halter, the DII transfer.
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Ultimately, I can point to teams that had better offensive lines with 2-3* guys... you're not proving a point by trying to add up numbers and equating that to the offensive line ability.
2* and 3* can be made into better lines if they've actually played in the past. McElwain's group looked much better this year but suffered from simply having bad offensive linemen.
Kirby, however, had the stars and the experience and that line looked like diggity dog shite.
He also had the stars on the outside, the experience on the TE side and a 5* quarterback with two fricking upperclassmen 5* running backs.
It's not even close.
Enjoyed this little chat, but Smart is Muschamp 2.0, and it's only fitting that he's at Georgia.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:27 pm to TJGator1215
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the man who said he could win with his dog
Took over a program that was 11-14 in the two years before he got here
Has gone 19-8 in his first two years with "his dog" at QB.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:30 pm to TJGator1215
There's the same stat TJ always reverts back to when he has nothing to add to a conversation. Yards don't win games. Scoring more points than the other teams wins games. He's scored more points than the other team in 19 of the 27 games he's coached.
Despite only doing that in 11 of the 25 games before he got here.
Despite only doing that in 11 of the 25 games before he got here.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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So...you guys have one 3 star player on your entire offensive roster, more experience at every position, your line has, combined 19 stars vs. 13.
No. You list our zero star LT and 3 star RT as four stars, while listing your 5 star OT as 4 stars. Good job with your fake numbers. Makes it look like a big difference.
When the real number is done by adding 1 to uf and removing 5 from uga, That makes it 14/14. To an honest person, thats not a big difference.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Having an inexperienced OL is not an excuse neither is the 6 OL
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Richts recruiting the last 2 yrs put UGA in a huge hole talent wise along the OL
It's only an excuse when it's Georgia, apparently. So why don't you lighten up on the 2015 Gator roster when Muschamp left McElwain in a worse position?
Is it 'cause you're intellectually dishonest? Yep yep.
You know what is truly intellectually dishonest?
1. You claim Starting a d2 OL TRANSFER is a huge deal for uf, but not for uga. You then gave your guy ZERO stars, and ours 4 stars.
2. You claim that uf had a reception disadvantage vs uga despite returning 2x as much production and a proven #1 wr.
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Here are top 4 WR returning plus the #1 TE:
UF: 138 catches for 1715 yards
UGA: 76 catches for 861 yards
Thats 2x as many yards for UF. How on Earth do you think it's comparable by any stretch of the imagination
3. You claim UF's O was better even though UGA scored more points and gained more yards.
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McElwain did more with less on offense.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'd take a 5 star prospect quarterback over an athlete playing quarterback any day of the week -- as would you.
Most would but that is besides the point, which is you would struggle with either one. Neither were close to good situations, but you can't admit that due to your extremely homer thoughts.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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TE: 2* (Jake McGee)
Look at you ignoring the fact that he was a proven and highly productive power 5 player going into 2015 and how he made a NFL practice squad in 2016. Intellectually dishonest again.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:24 pm to djsdawg
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Look at you ignoring the fact that he was a proven and highly productive power 5 player going into 2015 and how he made a NFL practice squad in 2016. Intellectually dishonest again.
Can you respond with one, maybe two at most instead of scatter firing? Your backup was a transfer, the first guy had to sit out and was a 4*.
Every single player at the offensive line at every position on it had more starts and more stars.
Yes or no? Let me answer for you: It's yes. Your center had more starts than our entire line combined at D1 football.
Your team sucks, hoss, sorry you guys dished out a lot of money for a bust HC.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Who's trolling who here?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
No, where do you come up with this stuff? It's not even close to accurate.
UF was the only OL who started a 5 star, and you refuse to claim him.
Then for uga, you claim the d2 guy who started every regular season game at LT was a backup.
You also claim a low rated 3 star OG was somehow a good 4 star at RT.
Even more, you claim a converted DL who had never played a meaningful snap at OG was very experienced.
UF was the only OL who started a 5 star, and you refuse to claim him.
Then for uga, you claim the d2 guy who started every regular season game at LT was a backup.
You also claim a low rated 3 star OG was somehow a good 4 star at RT.
Even more, you claim a converted DL who had never played a meaningful snap at OG was very experienced.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:05 pm to atlgator
Yards may not win games but they are a great measure on how successful a team can move the ball. It's a surprise to no one that we were in the 100s in scoring because we were in th 100s in total yards. You can't score if you don't get to the endzone. The last 2 yrs of WM have zero to with Mac. As the program was almost in the exact same spot when WM took over. They have almost identical records during their first 2 years here. I like how you guys always leave that out. Almost the exact same offensive rankings, records vs the top 25 and the exact same defensive rankings. Mac had an easier schedule than WM and has recruited at a worse overall level.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Both our teams suck. The only thing that kept UF from being 7-5 was the nfl players on defense. UGA players can point to great recruiting as hope. All Mac can do is this:
The fact that he has to say this in year 3 when the entire team is almost his is pathetic and shows he doesn't know what the Frick he's doing. He must be talking about himself since he can't bring himself to fire Nord or Nuss who both have been colossal failures here but yet they still have jobs. He's already setting the team up to fail.
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"You have to fail and you have to be able to put yourself out there to fail to learn how to be successful," he said. "You can’t be afraid to fail, if you’re afraid to fail, that means ultimately you aren’t going to give your all to be great. Seeing our guys get out of that and seeing the department, the organization get out of that fear and rather 'let’s not fear it, let’s go jump in and see what we can do."
The fact that he has to say this in year 3 when the entire team is almost his is pathetic and shows he doesn't know what the Frick he's doing. He must be talking about himself since he can't bring himself to fire Nord or Nuss who both have been colossal failures here but yet they still have jobs. He's already setting the team up to fail.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 9:09 pm
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