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re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami

Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:26 am to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:26 am to
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Because his point included defense? You have proven you suck at reading so you likely missed that part.


So Georgia with two top ten recruiting classes BEFORE Kirby walked on campus didn't give them any offense or defense?

Damn, how does that work other than Kirby is just a bad HC? I mean, having injured players on defense and no offense isn't an excuse at Florida...

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:38 am to
Point is, Uf has had much better d talent to work with according to the NFL. You love to talk about muschamps overrated classes, but you turn around and refuse to admit richt did the same thing but worse. Mcelwain has been lucky to deal with richts mess rather than the much better uga teams of the muschamp era.
Posted by atlgator
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:45 am to
I don't think anybody would argue that Muschamp can recruit defense. If he would've recruited offense the way he recruited defense, we win a national championship in 2012, we don't go 4-8 in 2013, and he's still the coach today.

The thing is, he couldn't recruit offense for shite. He had an offensive philosophy that would've been outdated 25 years ago. That's why he didn't survive at UF.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:50 am to
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I don't think anybody would argue that Muschamp can recruit defense. If he would've recruited offense the way he recruited defense, we win a national championship in 2012, we don't go 4-8 in 2013, and he's still the coach today.


Why is this so hard? And our defense still played lights out when half of the Muschamp players were down and out from injuries against Iowa.

Look at any of the Muschamp recruits and who turned out decently on offense. I would be shocked if they could name one for every year he was here.
Posted by atlgator
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:51 am to
If we're talking about the talent level of Florida's offense and defense and Georgia's offense and defense the first year for Mac and the first year for Kirby (so Florida's 2015 roster vs UGAs 2016 roster), obviously Florida's defense was the best, but I'd argue that Florida's offense was in worse shape than Georgias offense or their defense. We didn't have anybody like Jacob Eason on campus, no Nick Chubbs, no Sony Michel, etc.

Richt didn't leave a great roster by any means, but didn't he win 10 games the year he was fired? Or was it 9? That's still better than the 7 UGA won last year. Obviously y'all have gotten much more talented since Kirby got hired, but there are still question marks surrounding Kirbys Gameday leadership, offensive philosophy, and coaching ability, at least from my point of view. The only things he has answered are that he can recruit and that he can excited a fan base (93k day)
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:04 pm to
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we're talking about the talent level of Florida's offense and defense and Georgia's offense and defense the first year for Mac and the first year for Kirby (so Florida's 2015 roster vs UGAs 2016 roster), obviously Florida's defense was the best, but I'd argue that Florida's offense was in worse shape than Georgias offense or their defense. We didn't have anybody like Jacob Eason on campus, no Nick Chubbs, no Sony Michel, e


Here is how I would rate them scale 0-10:

Uf d 9
Uga d 6
Uga O 4
Uf O 3
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:25 pm to
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Uga O 4
Uf O 3


You are so full of fricking shite, Georgia TJ.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32732 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:26 pm to
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Richt didn't leave a great roster by any means, but didn't he win 10 games the year he was fired? Or was it 9? That's still better than the 7 UGA won last year. Obviously y'all have gotten much more talented since Kirby got hired, but there are still question marks surrounding Kirbys Gameday leadership, offensive philosophy, and coaching ability, at least from my point of view.


He won 10 vs a historically easy schedule and many were extremely close. First power 5 10 win team ever to not finish ranked in the ap, and the best players from that painfully average team moved onto the NFL. All those issues you list for smart also existed for richt in the end. At least now we have a recruiter to upgrade the talent.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:32 pm to
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quote:
Uga O 4
Uf O 3

You are so full of fricking shite, Georgia TJ.


Don't prove you are even dumber than you already have by claiming that I am tj.

Uga was left with a true freshman qb, an awful line, and a weak wr corp. The rb position gave uga the edge. Say, why on earth should that be better than a 4?
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:47 pm to
I called you Georgia TJ, but reading ain't a big thing where you're from.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32732 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:49 pm to
Once again, you Avoid the point and resort to pathetic flames instead.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:57 pm to
We agree in premise then. You have hope for Kirby because of his recruiting. I have hope in Mac because of his on field success with relatively little offensive talent.

Both programs should be continuing to improve and separate themselves from the rest of the East. Especially with Butch Jones and Tennessee floundering and withering away
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:57 pm to
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Uga was left with a true freshman qb, an awful line, and a weak wr corp. The rb position gave uga the edge. Say, why on earth should that be better than a 4?


At least you had a QB.

Your Offensive Line had more talent and more bodies than McElwain's first year.

We had one receiver outside of DRob.

RB was better.

TE was better.

So...literally every offensive position was better than what we had at Florida yet you rank them one slot less?

I don't flame you because you've made some great argument, I flame you because we had it worse at every position in 2015 than Kirby had at 2016.

Yet we still didn't lose to teams like Vanderbilt at home.

That was with Muschamp.

Who Kirby looks a whole hell of a lot similar to. Did Vanderbilt beat you guys in recruiting that badly? Were they even close? Ole Miss didn't even bowl and they throttled Georgia.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32732 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:37 pm to
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So...literally every offensive position was better than what we had at Florida yet you rank them one slot less?


That's just you minimizing the negatives for uga while maximizing the negatives for uf. Doesn't mean that's how it is in reality.

Having to start a true freshman qb isn't an advantage. It's evidence of a major issue at the position.

Our ol sucked just like yours did.

You returned a better wr than we did.

You obviously forgot about Jake McGee at TE for uf.

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Yet we still didn't lose to teams like Vanderbilt at home.


Do you remember how awful y'all played vs Vandy in 2015? It took an awful Vandy punt for y'all to beat them. We weren't as lucky.

This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Blanky6715
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2014
4377 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:39 pm to
Out of curiosity since this thread is supposed to be about Lorenzo Lingard.

Do any of you think he sticks with Miami? Or are you guys confident you could flip him?
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:43 pm to
Anybody committed to Miami has the potential to flip. Especially this early in the cycle.

But don't be confused, this thread was created with the sole intention of trolling Gator fans
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Blanky6715
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2014
4377 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:49 pm to
I'd say it's been extremely successful.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32732 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:59 pm to
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quote:
60% 2/3 stars?


Over the past 2 classes:

41% 4-5 stars (20)
59% 2-3 stars (28)


Past 3:

4
36% 4-5 stars (25)
64% 2-3 stars (44)
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:26 am to
Mac's offensive philosophy is almost an exact copy. Btw Mac is doing the same thing WM did like moving Camrin Knight to LB, tanner Rowell a walk on DT to OL, and RDJ to DT because his recruiting has caused depth problems.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 1:28 am
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 6:57 am to
I look at those guys moving positions as a sign that they're not good enough at the positions they're at, so it's a last gasp effort to find a position for them.

I don't think Mac's offensive philosophy is anywhere near what Will Muschamps offensive philosophy was. Mac wants to throw the ball all around the park and he's shown that several times. Beyond just the Alabama and FSU games where we threw it 40 times in each game (mostly because we were losing much of the game), we chucked it all over the field in the Iowa game, the Kentucky game, and the New Mexico statte game just off the top of my head. Muschamp was more about ball control and time of possession and trying to be Bama. Mac seems to want to throw the ball around, loosen up the defense, then hammer in the running game, and when they get back to crowding the box to stop the run, he wants to go back to throwing it. I think we saw this a lot in the Iowa game. We were able to hit a couple of deep intermediate passes to Callaway and Cleveland and Swain, and all of a sudden the defense backed off because they realized they couldn't cover our receivers. Then they get hit with the long screen pass for a touchdown, so they're hesitant to bring pressure now, and that leads to a couple of long runs by Scarlett and Perine, and now all of a sudden the offense is looking capable. Against a good defense. Give credit where it's due, Nuss called a very good game against Iowa despite not having great quarterback play. Mac employs multiple shifts and motions, unique misdirections and zone blocking schemes, which are very player friendly. It's hard to pick up tendencies with all of the different formations and shifts and presnap movements. The biggest difference is this offense has a direction. I truly believe that when we get a quarterback who is able to hit open receivers consistently, that will force the defense to back off the line of scrimmage, and then you will see a more successful run game because all of a sudden we're not playing against 8 and 9 man boxes all game. Good quarterback play can keep the defense off balance by forcing them to respect the pass but also being fearful of a good running back, like Scarlett or Perine, from getting the ball with too much space to work with.

My biggest point is that Mac's offense couldn't be more different than the Stone Age philosophy Muschamp had. You're an idiot who knows jack shite about football if you watch our offense under Mac vs our offense under Muschamp and think they look anything alike. There's a much higher ceiling under Mac's offense because it actually has a direction, and philosophy that has worked before. Just give it time and your worst nightmares will come true: Florida's offense will be great again under Mac. And he's not getting fired anytime soon
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