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Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:30 pm to ThirdAndChavis1234
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:30 pm to ThirdAndChavis1234
"He can't be ineligible for a "team", he would be ineligibe for all of NCAA athletics"
Does anyone know how Albert Means actually took money from Alabama yet was able to play at Memphis?
Does anyone know how Albert Means actually took money from Alabama yet was able to play at Memphis?
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:32 pm to MTurbo
So much fail here and it seems like so many are actually stupid enough to think Cam is currently ineligible because Cecil solicited MSU.
It is pathetic.
Yeah, if the rules were not the rules, maybe he would be. But all the people that are posting the rules and saying Cam is ineligible according to the current rules are so damn stupid it is appalling.
It is pathetic.
Yeah, if the rules were not the rules, maybe he would be. But all the people that are posting the rules and saying Cam is ineligible according to the current rules are so damn stupid it is appalling.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:32 pm to MTurbo
They will start it here with Newton. Also not trying to bash you guys here but your power alumns seem to be knee deep in shite right now. Lowder, McGregor, and Dye all supposedly have been inplicated in pay for play, and there seems to be a whole lot of proof.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:33 pm to Geauxld Finger
"They will start it here with Newton"
They can only change the rule going forward.
They can only change the rule going forward.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:36 pm to MTurbo
No, they can start now. You think they are going to let some kid with a checkered reputation and lingering allegations hoist any trophy? No way. And what gives you confidence that they'll enforce it "going forward" as opposed to now? Whisteling passed the graveyard is what I say. Can't say I blame you though. Going down in a blaze of glory!
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:37 pm to MTurbo
The people saying Cam is currently ineligible (ie most of the SEC rant) HAVE to be complete idiots.
And BTW, it is a huge leap of faith to say the NCAA will ignore their own rules and grandfather something in to retroactively apply to the current situation.
Yet the SEC rant morons state it as a fact and actually believe it, because yes, they are that damn stupid and seem to lack the reading comprehension of the average 12th grader.
And BTW, it is a huge leap of faith to say the NCAA will ignore their own rules and grandfather something in to retroactively apply to the current situation.
Yet the SEC rant morons state it as a fact and actually believe it, because yes, they are that damn stupid and seem to lack the reading comprehension of the average 12th grader.
This post was edited on 11/17/10 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:38 pm to Geauxld Finger
Because you can't change the rules midstream.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:39 pm to APIEE
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You do realize...
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ThirdAndChavis1234
You are wrong -
13.01.1 Eligibility Effects of Recruiting Violation.
The recruitment of a student-athlete by a member institution or any representative of its athletics interests in violation of the Association’s legislation, as acknowledged by the institution or established through the Association’s enforcement procedures, shall result in the student-athlete becoming ineligible to represent that institution in intercollegiate athletics. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement may restore the eligibility of a student involved in such a violation only when circumstances clearly warrant restoration. A student is responsible for his or her involvement in a violation of NCAA regulations during the student’s recruitment, and involvement in a major violation (see Bylaw 19.02.2.2) may cause the student to become permanently ineligible for intercollegiate athletics competition at that institution.
No, sir, you are 100% wrong. The bylaws you cite in section 13 pertain only to the recruitment of athletes...i.e., conduct by the recruiting school. They have absolutely nothing to do with the amateur status of an athlete. Go back and look at the title of the bylaw and actually read the whole thing. A player who is illegally recruited by an institution is ineligible at that institution, and can apply to have his eligibility reinstated. This bylaw has absolutely nothing to do with amateur status.
The relevant rule is this:
12.2.4.3 An individual who retains an agent shall lose amateur status.
Period. He loses his amateur status. Nothing about it being only at that school.
Cam Newton was represented by Kenny Rogers. You can argue that Cam didn't know or agree to be represented by Rogers, but Cam is on record as saying the decision to go to Auburn was his father's. In other words, Cam had ceded responsibility to his father to handle his recruitment, and if Cecil enlisted Rogers' help, then Cam, by extension, did also.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:39 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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So much fail here and it seems like so many are actually stupid enough to think Cam is currently ineligible because Cecil solicited MSU.
It is pathetic.
Yeah, if the rules were not the rules, maybe he would be. But all the people that are posting the rules and saying Cam is ineligible according to the current rules are so damn stupid it is appalling.
The funny thing is...the meltdown they predict with Auburn fans is going to be nothing compared to the meltdown with the bammers and LSU folks who wanted the wins by default, and can't stand to see Auburn win it all.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:40 pm to Geauxld Finger
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And what gives you confidence that they'll enforce it "going forward" as opposed to now?
And what makes you think they will change their OWN RULES and apply them retroactively?
And do not talk about a precedent. That is fricking retarded. You change the rules now, apply them going forward and your precedent arguement for future solicitation is pure horseshite. Kinda like bleacher report who is probably too dumb to apply common sense also.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:42 pm to APIEE
Back to ITAT with you!
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:42 pm to BamaGradinTn
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No, sir, you are 100% wrong. The bylaws you cite in section 13 pertain only to the recruitment of athletes...i.e., conduct by the recruiting school. They have absolutely nothing to do with the amateur status of an athlete. Go back and look at the title of the bylaw and actually read the whole thing. A player who is illegally recruited by an institution is ineligible at that institution, and can apply to have his eligibility reinstated. This bylaw has absolutely nothing to do with amateur status. The relevant rule is this: 12.2.4.3 An individual who retains an agent shall lose amateur status. Period. He loses his amateur status. Nothing about it being only at that school. Cam Newton was represented by Kenny Rogers. You can argue that Cam didn't know or agree to be represented by Rogers, but Cam is on record as saying the decision to go to Auburn was his father's. In other words, Cam had ceded responsibility to his father to handle his recruitment, and if Cecil enlisted Rogers' help, then Cam, by extension, did also.
Wrong...the agreement for representation by an agent can only be made between the student athlete and the agent...a third party can't do it.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:42 pm to Buck Sweep
To me the damage is already done. I'm not saying he IS ineligible right now. I'm saying he WILL BE, or COULD BE ineligible. It may not happen. But I know one thing. They got dirt on your boys and the NCAA is digging, and they don't have to dig deep. The FBI jump started their investigation.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:43 pm to BamaGradinTn
And as far as Albert Means is concerned, he had to have his eligibility reinstated by the NCAA before he could play at Memphis.
So, that pretty much flushes your whole argument down the toilet.
Means had to be reinstated by the NCAA.
So, that pretty much flushes your whole argument down the toilet.
Means had to be reinstated by the NCAA.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:43 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Cam Newton was represented by Kenny Rogers. You can argue that Cam didn't know or agree to be represented by Rogers, but Cam is on record as saying the decision to go to Auburn was his father's. In other words, Cam had ceded responsibility to his father to handle his recruitment, and if Cecil enlisted Rogers' help, then Cam, by extension, did also.
This is ignorant also. Unless a contract is produced (even on a cocktail napkin), Cam was not represented in any sense that is even remotely applicable.
Fail.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:44 pm to Buck Sweep
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No, sir, you are 100% wrong. The bylaws you cite in section 13 pertain only to the recruitment of athletes...i.e., conduct by the recruiting school. They have absolutely nothing to do with the amateur status of an athlete. Go back and look at the title of the bylaw and actually read the whole thing. A player who is illegally recruited by an institution is ineligible at that institution, and can apply to have his eligibility reinstated. This bylaw has absolutely nothing to do with amateur status. The relevant rule is this: 12.2.4.3 An individual who retains an agent shall lose amateur status. Period. He loses his amateur status. Nothing about it being only at that school. Cam Newton was represented by Kenny Rogers. You can argue that Cam didn't know or agree to be represented by Rogers, but Cam is on record as saying the decision to go to Auburn was his father's. In other words, Cam had ceded responsibility to his father to handle his recruitment, and if Cecil enlisted Rogers' help, then Cam, by extension, did also.
Wrong...the agreement for representation by an agent can only be made between the student athlete and the agent...a third party can't do it.
It can be if the player has authorized it.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:44 pm to MTurbo
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Does anyone know how Albert Means actually took money from Alabama yet was able to play at Memphis?
I am sure someone else can answer definitively, but as I understand the rules, a school may petition the NCAA for reinstatement of eligibility. I would assume that Memphis did so in the Means case since they were not involved in his intial recruitment and pay for play scandal.
If if turns out that Cam was rendered ineligible for college football because of solicitation of MSU, but not Auburn, Auburn could have petitioned for reinstatement. Apparently that hasn't happened. So, the issue will turn on whether the solicitation for money from MSU rendered him ineligible at any school unless reinstatement was requested and granted.
Of course if the evidence shows that Auburn boosters paid Cam or his dad for play, that would be a completely different matter.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:46 pm to MTurbo
Jesus....
Listen carefully...This is the NCAA, not a court of law. There doesn't have to be a precedent. In this case, there may not BE a precedent. The NCAA can rule how they want to rule. Someone might take them to court later (and probably will), but it is 100% in their hands.
As to Albert Means (a screwed up situation from so many angles), Means really didn't have any idea he was being shopped around. It wasn't his parents putting him up on Ebay, it was his slimy HS coach. Do you really, honestly believe that anyone is going to buy the idea that Cam had NO IDEA his father was doing this stuff? Especially with a quote already out there saying "It was too much money"?
Also, Means still had to sit out a year before having his eligibility reinstated. He didn't just pack his bags and head to Memphis and start camp. He was given a year of ineligibility and he really was a victim.
Listen carefully...This is the NCAA, not a court of law. There doesn't have to be a precedent. In this case, there may not BE a precedent. The NCAA can rule how they want to rule. Someone might take them to court later (and probably will), but it is 100% in their hands.
As to Albert Means (a screwed up situation from so many angles), Means really didn't have any idea he was being shopped around. It wasn't his parents putting him up on Ebay, it was his slimy HS coach. Do you really, honestly believe that anyone is going to buy the idea that Cam had NO IDEA his father was doing this stuff? Especially with a quote already out there saying "It was too much money"?
Also, Means still had to sit out a year before having his eligibility reinstated. He didn't just pack his bags and head to Memphis and start camp. He was given a year of ineligibility and he really was a victim.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:46 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Unless a contract is produced
Do you really think anyone is dumb enough to transcribe a written document that breaks laws? Are you guys kidding me? Auburn education I guess.
This post was edited on 11/17/10 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 11:47 pm to MTurbo
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You do realize...
"He can't be ineligible for a "team", he would be ineligibe for all of NCAA athletics"
Does anyone know how Albert Means actually took money from Alabama yet was able to play at Memphis?
Yeah, we know it. We also know that you were too lazy to do a little research and find out that the NCAA had to reinstate him before he was allowed to play at Memphis.
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