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re: Would you rather have Gus or Bielema as your head coach

Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by 2smooth
Member since Jan 2015
2777 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:00 pm to
If they would have been in the East?

What kind of argument is that? Lol

Arkansas has hit Bret's ceiling of success.
Posted by CrazyCadillac
Member since Oct 2011
1919 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:00 pm to
Those are some impressive records for bert at a school like Arkansas. I'd rather have gus tho
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
91644 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:00 pm to
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So Bert's best year is one win more than Gus's worse year.
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
24857 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:02 pm to
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It's pretty obvious which school made the better hire 3 years ago.

clearly Auburn. SEC championship, BCS National Championship appearance. What did Arkansas do? Had the worst record in the SEC, struggled to get to a bowl game, then finally broke out for an amazing 8 win season. Gus is 2-1 vs Bert with both wins coming by three scores.

Gus>Bert



But both fricking suck
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 7:04 pm
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40859 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:02 pm to
Any non-biased fan is going to say Bielema. He was successful at Wisconsin and has gotten better each year at Arkansas after inheriting a program in shambles. Drop him in to Auburn and he'd be much more successful there than Malzhan. He clearly understands how to run a program while Malzahn is probably better off in an OC role.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 7:06 pm
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
24857 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:05 pm to
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after inheriting a program in shambles.
so Auburn being 3-9 the year before Gus got there and taking them to the championship game while winning the SEC isnt doing a better job? LOL

Any non-biased fan would say Gus. Any retarded Arky fan would say Bert.


but i will give you this...Arky is trending up, while Auburn is trending down.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 7:06 pm
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
30949 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:06 pm to
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Gus Malzahn has an SEC Championship and a 2-1 overall record a



And Eugene won a BCSC. So did Larry Coker. Stroke mouth is a better coach than Gustav and it's not close.
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
24857 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:07 pm to
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Stroke mouth is a better coach than Gustav and it's not close.
would you trade an SEC championship for five losses three years in a row with one year having 9?

Troll tide fricker
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
22925 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:10 pm to
I'd rather have Bert but they have both under achieved IMO, minus Gus's first year when he over achieved.
Posted by 2smooth
Member since Jan 2015
2777 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:16 pm to
Why is that?

If Arkansas ends up never winning the SEC under his tenure, how can he be considered better?

Posted by Gladius Veritas
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since May 2012
13189 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:19 pm to
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so Auburn being 3-9 the year before Gus got there and taking them to the championship game while winning the SEC isnt doing a better job? LOL


Chiz switched to a pro style offense in 2012 without the right players and had an awful OC. That was a very bad team, but more due to coaching and scheme. Gus walked into a program with good talent and many players that he had recruited himself and fit what he wanted to do on offense.

Bert walked into a program with next to zero talent outside of a few players that weren't recruited for his style of play and scheme, and that had suffered extreme attrition rates under Petrino. He's had to rebuild the program piece by piece.

So yes, any non-biased fan with half a brain would say Bert.
Posted by Gladius Veritas
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since May 2012
13189 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:22 pm to
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I'd rather have Bert but they have both under achieved IMO, minus Gus's first year when he over achieved.


Bert walked into to a program with zero talent outside of a handful like Flowers and Jonathan Williams. How can you say someone underachieved when their predecessors were a big factor into why they haven't performed well? Toledo sucked but he still improved the overall record. We've gotten better every year under him as the team has slowly become all his own.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41170 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:25 pm to
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If they played in the weak east they would have been there 2 years in a row.


Arkansas went 0-2 against its East opponents the year before last, Bielema has a losing record against the East (33%)
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
30949 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:25 pm to
Gustav inherited much more talent than stroke mouth did at Arkie after John L.

And the question is who would I rather have as coach and it's easily stroke mouth. Gustav is looking more and more like an idiot savant. He coach offense but that is absolutely it. He can't coach defense or even discuss it at all, he can't hold onto coaches or maintain a SEC program.
Posted by lake2280
Public intellectual
Member since Nov 2012
4288 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:27 pm to
Bret no question. Mainly because Gus seems like a pussy.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:30 pm to
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so Auburn being 3-9 the year before Gus got there and taking them to the championship game while winning the SEC isnt doing a better job? LOL


Do you really think the talent Gus had a Auburn to start was even close to what Bert had to work with and Bert changed the offensive philosophy. Gus had many players he helped recruit and wanted. Ever heard of perspective?

Nothing wrong with picking Gus but at least bring in some points that make sense.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 7:34 pm
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22454 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:32 pm to
Does it have to be a binary choice?

If so, I guess I would have to pick the guy who won the SEC and has brought in more talent.

Right now, neither would be in my top 5.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40859 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:34 pm to
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Do you really think the talent Gus had a Auburn to start was even close to what Bert had to work with and Bert changed the offensive philosophy. Gus had many players he helped recruit and wanted. Ever heard of perspective?


This guy gets it.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:44 pm to
Someone was feeling insecure about their coaching hire.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
51818 posts
Posted on 2/14/16 at 7:46 pm to
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Drop him in to Auburn and he'd be much more successful


That's because we're Auburn and you're arky. You'll always be a shite school watching us win what you never will. I have no doubt your fat frick coach could win at Auburn...Gene Chizik did. That's the difference between AU and arky.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 7:50 pm
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