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re: With 14 teams, the Big 6 should admit a 7th
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:41 am to The Cajun Prince
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:41 am to The Cajun Prince
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t like you guys were for 20 years until Saban arrived.
Just like 80% of Tenn success came before 1970. For the last 45 years tenn has 5 sec titles. Lsu has 4 since 2001. Lsu was a borderline top 10 alltime program before Saban got to lsu.
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:26 am to psk_Vol
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Serious question. What was the last school outside the big 6 to win an sec title? I'm nearly certain it hasn't happened in my lifetime and I was born in 92. What has it been like 50 years?
Answered a few posts upthread.
Kentucky and Georgia finished tied in 1976, but UGA beat UK head to head and got the Sugar Bowl bid.
The last team from outside the big 6 to win a conference title outright was Ole Miss in 1963 - 51 years ago.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 8:27 am
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:31 am to LSUlax17
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Who is the first team kicked out of the current Big 6?
Not sure, but am sure it will not be Alabama.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:45 am to Korin
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Which national titles should count though?
I'd say recognized...not claimed (all National Titles during SEC era) and all SEC titles (not southern conference)
So the list would look like:
Bama 11 NC 24 SEC
Tenessee 4 NC 13 SEC
LSU 3 NC 11 SEC
UF 3 NC 8 SEC
UGA 2 NC 12 SEC
AUB 2 NC 8 SEC
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:46 am to JaxTiger10
And what is your record against Tennessee head up?.... and I guess Tennessee's success in the 80's, 90's and 2000's just dont count which would include going to back to back NC's? 
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:50 am to KajunGator
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(not southern conference)
Yeah, because you would feel the dominance of the Dores!
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:52 am to Cheese Grits
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Yeah, because you would feel the dominance of the Dores!
0 NC 2 Southern Con titles....11 SIAA
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:39 am to KajunGator
I think the idea of the Big Six originated in late 80's or early 90's b/c at that time there were only six programs that had recently won SEC championships in football. As others have mentioned, last non Big Six SEC champs were Kentucky in 1976 (co-champs) and Ole Miss in 1963.
Interestingly enough 25 years later it is the exact same 6 teams that have won the SECCG (all multiple times).
The SECCG has become something of a line of demarcation (esp since it coincided w/ the first expansion), so some people prob consider Big Six to mean exclusively things that occurred in SECCG era.
I think if another team wins the SECCG the majority of people on this board would start using some kind of designator, but not assign full "Big" status. For example Big Six + 1. If that teams wins multiple SECCGs or NCs, then they would get full admission.
It would be interesting to see if the majority of people tried to kick another school out, or just expand it to Big Seven.
Interestingly enough 25 years later it is the exact same 6 teams that have won the SECCG (all multiple times).
The SECCG has become something of a line of demarcation (esp since it coincided w/ the first expansion), so some people prob consider Big Six to mean exclusively things that occurred in SECCG era.
I think if another team wins the SECCG the majority of people on this board would start using some kind of designator, but not assign full "Big" status. For example Big Six + 1. If that teams wins multiple SECCGs or NCs, then they would get full admission.
It would be interesting to see if the majority of people tried to kick another school out, or just expand it to Big Seven.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:56 am to GumBro Jackson
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I think if another team wins the SECCG the majority of people on this board would start using some kind of designator, but not assign full "Big" status. For example Big Six + 1. If that teams wins multiple SECCGs or NCs, then they would get full admission
I see what you are saying. So when a team finally busts through and wins an SECCG (most likely candidate being Mizzou, since they are the only non-Big 6 team making the game lately), they will go into a new category - kind of like a limbo or purgatory - where they aren't admitted to Big 6 heaven, but have transcended from the Little 8 Hell.
I like it. We have a plan.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:56 am to KajunGator
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I'd say recognized...not claimed (all National Titles during SEC era) and all SEC titles (not southern conference)
So the list would look like:
Bama 11 NC 23 SEC
Tenessee 4 NC 15 SEC
LSU 3 NC 14 SEC
UF 3 NC 8 SEC
UGA 2 NC 14 SEC
AUB 2 NC 11 SEC
Recognized by who?
Some of your numbers are off. Alabama now has 24 SEC titles; Tennessee has 13; LSU has 11; Georgia has 12; Auburn has 8.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:10 am to Korin
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:19 pm to GumBro Jackson
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I think the idea of the Big Six originated in late 80's or early 90's b/c at that time there were only six programs that had recently won SEC championships in football. As others have mentioned, last non Big Six SEC champs were Kentucky in 1976 (co-champs) and Ole Miss in 1963.
Interestingly enough 25 years later it is the exact same 6 teams that have won the SECCG (all multiple times).
The SECCG has become something of a line of demarcation (esp since it coincided w/ the first expansion), so some people prob consider Big Six to mean exclusively things that occurred in SECCG era.
I think if another team wins the SECCG the majority of people on this board would start using some kind of designator, but not assign full "Big" status. For example Big Six + 1. If that teams wins multiple SECCGs or NCs, then they would get full admission.
It would be interesting to see if the majority of people tried to kick another school out, or just expand it to Big Seven.
I've always heard it was simply schools that have won the SECCG and don't remember ever hearing anything about a "Big 6" until after Georgia, LSU and Auburn won it after the millennium.
Florida didn't win it's first SEC title until 1991, so it seems rather peculiar that they would have been a "Big 6" member before they'd ever won a SEC title. Not to mention that all the accomplishments of newer members during this time don't count if it didn't happen as a SEC member.
Moving the bar is just getting silly and making the idea of a "Big 6" laughable.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:23 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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I thought Bama had dispatched you trolls, but obviously not.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:23 pm to redeye
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Florida didn't win it's first SEC title until 1991
We won the SEC in '84...and vacated it in 85
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:36 pm to KajunGator
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We won the SEC in '84...and vacated it in 85
Ah, I didn't know that. Just looked at what it said on your Wiki page.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:51 pm to redeye
It did exist in the '80s:
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:54 pm to Tigerjackswartz
quote:should have used different wording
we're not knocking on the door, we're busting in
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:58 pm to Tigerjackswartz
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If Mizzou wins the East a couple more years in a row, we're not knocking on the door, we're busting in
Well, the SEC used to have only 10 teams, so the Big Six made up a majority...now that the conference has 14 members, the Big Six are a minority and could be outvoted when it comes to determining how its membership is derived.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 6:00 pm to Tigerjackswartz
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I think if another team wins the SECCG the majority of people on this board would start using some kind of designator, but not assign full "Big" status. For example Big Six + 1. If that teams wins multiple SECCGs or NCs, then they would get full admission
I see what you are saying. So when a team finally busts through and wins an SECCG (most likely candidate being Mizzou, since they are the only non-Big 6 team making the game lately), they will go into a new category - kind of like a limbo or purgatory - where they aren't admitted to Big 6 heaven, but have transcended from the Little 8 Hell.
I like it. We have a plan.
No. Then the goal posts would become multiples of whatever barrier was crossed.
SEC Championships, then National Championships, then some other qualifier.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 6:23 pm to JaxTiger10
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Just like 80% of Tenn success came before 1970. For the last 45 years tenn has 5 sec titles. Lsu has 4 since 2001. Lsu was a borderline top 10 alltime program before Saban got to lsu.
Haha, you pull this shite out of your arse every time. I'm i gonna have to roll your arse up again?
Since 1967 both LSU and Tennessee both have 7 SEC titles.
Tennessee has been to 33 bowl games since 1970
LSU has been to 30
Tennessee also has more overall wins since 1970
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 6:31 pm
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