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re: Will "the God thing" start to get challenged on legal grounds?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:36 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:36 pm to DawgsLife
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Not really. there are plenty of people out there who are NOT Christians who are against those very same things
If you can find me even a single person who is not religious that supports the state ban on homosexual marriage, I will be truly shocked.
The absolute only reason to be against such a thing is if you believe a higher power says as much.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:37 pm to Lg
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Apparently you've never had to treat people with addiction. Alcoholism, drug addictions and sexual perversion are all wonderful things, aren't they? All are great contributors to society.
And this is why there are many people...both people of faith, and atheists and agnostics that may be totally against these things. There will always e issues both sides of the religion argument will agree on and some we will disagree on. Just like any issue and any groups.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:40 pm to Crimson Legend
I realize your post has been edited, but is no one else turned on by Malzahns wife? That kind of crazy has to be incredible in bed.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:40 pm to Lg
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Apparently you've never had to treat people with addiction. Alcoholism, drug addictions and sexual perversion are all wonderful things, aren't they? All are great contributors to society.
So the solution is to legislate these things, telling people that their personal liberty even when not harming others has limits?
Literally anything can be abused. Cigarettes kill more people every year than alcohol and drugs combined kill every ten years, yet I don't hear many Christians advocating that they be made illegal. Why? Because they don't believe their religion prohibits it.
And therein lies the rub.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:42 pm to DawgsLife
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And this is why there are many people...both people of faith, and atheists and agnostics that may be totally against these things.
The difference is that only one group wants to tell people they CANT do those things, while the other merely discourages them.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The absolute only reason to be against such a thing is if you believe a higher power says as much.
At the end of the day, they are against it because they are homophobic. They just use religion to mask their bigotry. I know one guy I used to work with that was against gay marriage and he was a militant atheist.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:46 pm to MIZ_COU
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No but relegious groups try to force there beliefs on others constantly, to the point of trying to pass laws about it. Bunch of fukers.
Prove. It.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:47 pm to TeLeFaWx
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At the end of the day, they are against it because they are homophobic. They just use religion to mask their bigotry.
I'm sure some are, but in my experience most genuinely it is immoral because they think God says it is. Orthodox Christianity doesn't really provide much room for personal interpretation, siding with the divine judge is pretty much a prerequisite.
Also, the very act of being against it doesn't make one a bigot. It's becomes bigotry once your actions and thoughts towards that person are dictated solely by your hatred or disapproval of the thing in question. It annoys me when people call all Christians bigots, when in reality only some are.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:48 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I realize your post has been edited, but is no one else turned on by Malzahns wife? That kind of crazy has to be incredible in bed.
I have to admit it - she's so crazy I have a strange infatuation with her.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:55 pm to DirtyDawg
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Prove. It.
Are you honestly going to deny that many of our laws governing personal liberty and morality (and those in the past) are either partially or entirely judeo-christian in origin?
Tell me then, why is it illegal to buy liquor on Sunday in Texas? Why can I not open a store, theatre or club of a sexual nature within a half mile of a church in Arizona? Why can I not exchange goods for services with hookers in 49 of the 50 states? On so on and so forth.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:59 pm to Lg
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So why is a Christian coach any different?
Hmm? I didn't say he was. You might be confusing me with someone else. I just pointed out that a Muslim coach isn't going to automatically fail at recruiting because he's Muslim. Certainly there will be a vocal faction against him, but there are vocal factions against pretty much any group identifier out there. Bigotry in one form or another exists in every aspect of society.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If you can find me even a single person who is not religious that supports the state ban on homosexual marriage, I will be truly shocked.
I worked with several. Several election cycles back several states defeated legalizing homosexual marriage. And a lot of people don't like it because they feel it is against normal behavior. To say the only reason to be against it is because of a higher power is very short sighted. I suspect someone said that and it sounded good. It simply is not true, though.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:12 pm to SpartyGator
is it voluntary
or mandatory
this is all that matters
or mandatory
this is all that matters
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The difference is that only one group wants to tell people they CANT do those things, while the other merely discourages them.
Not hardly. Christians say people should not do those things. What is the difference. And since when did you or anyone else you know not do something just because a Christian said not to?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:17 pm to Roger Klarvin
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o the solution is to legislate these things, telling people that their personal liberty even when not harming others has limits?
Are you saying that an alcoholics behavior does not affect anyone else? or a drug addicts? You need more experience in the world and dealing with the families of these people before making that statement.
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Cigarettes kill more people every year than alcohol and drugs combined kill every ten years, yet I don't hear many Christians advocating that they be made illegal. Why? Because they don't believe their religion prohibits it.
Our religion DOES prohibit the use of cigarettes. The bible says you body is the temple of God..therefore we should do nothing that harms that temple. Whether drugs, alcohol, over eating..whatever. Doesn't mean we don't make mistakes or that we don't do those things..we just shouldn't. And by the way..if you don't think alcohol and drugs kill as many people as cigarettes, you are not adding in the carnage on our roads from people driving impaired by alcohol or drugs.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'm sure some are, but in my experience most genuinely it is immoral because they think God says it is. Orthodox Christianity doesn't really provide much room for personal interpretation, siding with the divine judge is pretty much a prerequisite.
Many people find having sex with someone of the same sex as stomach churning...and THAT is why they are against it. has nothing to do with religion at all. I know of some people that this is the case exactly.
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people call all Christians bigots, when in reality only some are.
This is true.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:20 pm to DawgsLife
The between obesity, alcohol, smoking and drugs Heaven is going to be very sparsely populated.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Are you honestly going to deny that many of our laws governing personal liberty and morality (and those in the past) are either partially or entirely judeo-christian in origin?
They might be based in that, but most would be laws regardless, don't you think? I mean...murder, stealing...which laws do you believe would not be laws except for Christians?
I can see Blue Laws, but that is pretty much it, that I can think of. You might be able to come up with more, but right off the top of my head I can't.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The between obesity, alcohol, smoking and drugs Heaven is going to be very sparsely populated.
Well...those things won't keep you out of heaven. just impaires your relationship with God.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 3:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Tell me then, why is it illegal to buy liquor on Sunday in Texas? Why can I not open a store, theatre or club of a sexual nature within a half mile of a church in Arizona?
These are legitimate points. Theater? Really? I wasn't aware of that...not saying you are wrong. Simply I find it odd.
The hookers are probably more wife/woman driven, though.
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