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re: Will "the God thing" start to get challenged on legal grounds?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:01 pm to bortburgerbort
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:01 pm to bortburgerbort
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Would you be fine with a coach who offered voluntary Satanic prayer sessions?
If it got us a national title in football, then...yeah, I can see myself nodding in approval.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:01 pm to MIZ_COU
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If 2/3 of the team was voluntarily bowing and praying to mecca before practice would you be ok with it?
Yes
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And when coaches are involved the whole voluntary thing is dubious at best.
Yeah. Coaches shouldn't be able to practice their religion with players who share the same beliefs.
I bet you think atheists are oppressed daily in this country don't you?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:04 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Yeah. Coaches shouldn't be able to practice their religion with players who share the same beliefs.
But you're rewording the issue to make for an easier soundbite answer. It's a nice trick but it doesn't really help further the discussion. There's no question of whether a coach is free to practice a religion, or whether he is free to practice it with his players. The question is one of official sanction and implied coercion. Completely different issues.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:09 pm to randomways
it's football at a Public University. Leave the religion at th parochial schools with Touchdown Jesus
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:11 pm to Crimson Legend
This is coach is doing nothing wrong.
Who the frick is Freedom from Religion Foundation?
frick those nonbelievers, what are they doing right?
Who the frick is Freedom from Religion Foundation?
frick those nonbelievers, what are they doing right?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:11 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Players should have every right to pray with their coach or team if they want to.
That being said, the melt that would go down in the south if an Islamic coach was doing the same thing would be an all-timer. Lots of "but we're a Christian nation" and overt racist comments and shite
That being said, the melt that would go down in the south if an Islamic coach was doing the same thing would be an all-timer. Lots of "but we're a Christian nation" and overt racist comments and shite
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
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That being said, the melt that would go down in the south if an Islamic coach was doing the same thing would be an all-timer. Lots of "but we're a Christian nation" and overt racist comments and shite
I don't care if it makes me a bad person...I'd love to see that happen. The melt would be purely awesome to behold.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:20 pm to randomways
I'm certainly not rooting for it or anything, but it would certainly point out a blatant hypocrisy surrounding our society.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:20 pm to MIZ_COU
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Why can't you guys keep religion in the church where it belongs?
Because that's not where it belongs......
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:25 pm to bortburgerbort
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Would you be fine with a coach who offered voluntary Satanic prayer sessions?
The kids already know if the coach is highly religious before they get there. I don't care what anybody does or doesn't believe in. Stop letting little shite bother you.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:25 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Yeah. Coaches shouldn't be able to practice their religion with players who share the same beliefs.
Voluntary in the same sense that your boss calls a voluntary weekend strategy session? and there are plenty of places for them to do that outside of practice, just like there are plenty of places for your boss to practice with religion with you outside of work
quote:No but relegious groups try to force there beliefs on others constantly, to the point of trying to pass laws about it. Bunch of fukers.
I bet you think atheists are oppressed daily in this country don't you?
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'm certainly not rooting for it or anything, but it would certainly point out a blatant hypocrisy surrounding our society.
It's gonna happen, and probably sooner rather than later. Not because of "dem terr'ists," but because more blacks are getting head coaching jobs and one of them will eventually be a black Muslim (which isn't exactly the same as a more traditional Shia or Sunni, but close enough.) The question will be whether he has the guts to invite an imam to talk to his team in the face of the inevitable public backlash.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:30 pm to MIZ_COU
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Why can't you guys keep religion in the church where it belongs?
Isn't that like saying why can't you keep sports in the ballparks where they belong? And yet, here we are, talking about sports...
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:35 pm to MIZ_COU
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If 2/3 of the team was voluntarily bowing and praying to mecca before practice would you be ok with it?
As long as they did not require everyone to do it...yes. If that is their wish, then why would it bother me? I may not share their beliefs, but why would I take it upon myself to stop them from doing that with legal actions?
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And when coaches are involved the whole voluntary thing is dubious at best.
You would believe that ONLY if you are extremely naive. Coaches know their jobs rely on putting the best players out on the field. they are NOT going to base the starters on who believes as they do.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:35 pm to bortburgerbort
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Would you be fine with a coach who offered voluntary Satanic prayer sessions?
No I wouldn't be fine with that. But I'm fine if a coach teaches about God, becoause God isn't satan and there is a huge difference in teaching good vs evil. That's just a dumb question.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:37 pm to randomways
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he has the guts to invite an imam to talk to his team in the face of the inevitable public backlash.
So how many Christians would play for this coach? Probably none, so really all that would, would be muslims or non-believers that would soon HAVE to convert to Islam. So having an Imam come speak really wouldn't offend anyone, now would it?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:40 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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It's a public University. All that religious stuff belongs at Note Dame or Boston College.
Why? Nobody said they had to attend, or that they would be punished if they did not. if the coach were big into Future Farmers of America and invited the team to attend their meetings, you wouldn't be saying the coach might not play them if they didn't go to the meeting.
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As far as it's voluntary that;s bull crap. When I ran x country for LSU in the 70's, the coach wanted us to say the Lords prayer before the race. he asked me why I wans't saying anything. I said I had no clue what it was and sure as hell wasn;t going to pray before a race. He and the rest of the team glared at me.
Probably more your imagination than anything. Do you honestly believe you were the only non-christian on the team?
And if they did glare at you...did it hurt you in some way?Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:42 pm to Crimson Legend
man, never knew christians were so put upon, sorry guys I'll pray that you guys finally get to do everything you want without any persecution real soon, I thought this was America?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Why? There are many in this country who would just as soon see us converted into a theocracy if they had their way.
And there are many that would stamp out religion altogether. What is your point?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:45 pm to randomways
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But anybody who has ever worked in an office knows that there's a huge difference between "officially voluntary" and "you don't have to pick up the boss' laundry, my friend, because it's not part of your job description, but you're completely fricked if you don't."
That brought back memories...20 years ago, as a low level college administrator, it was my arse if the Dean's office fridge ever ran out of Diet Coke.
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