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re: Will "the God thing" start to get challenged on legal grounds?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:02 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:02 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm tired of seeing voluntary activities involving religion attacked over and over again.
They're not attacked, usually. You're just watching Fox News too much
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:05 pm to FooManChoo
quote:If 2/3 of the team was voluntarily bowing and praying to mecca before practice would you be ok with it?
I'm tired of seeing voluntary activities involving religion attacked over and over again.
And when coaches are involved the whole voluntary thing is dubious at best.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:17 pm to MIZ_COU
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And when coaches are involved the whole voluntary thing is dubious at best.
Negative. These kids are of the age of majority and are fully able to make their own decisions.
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If 2/3 of the team was voluntarily bowing and praying to mecca before practice would you be ok with it?
I, personally, wouldn't GAF but that would be the GREATEST TROLL IN HISTORY
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:23 pm to MIZ_COU
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If 2/3 of the team was voluntarily bowing and praying to mecca before practice would you be ok with it?
And when coaches are involved the whole voluntary thing is dubious at best.
That's a key point. To shrug and call it "voluntary" sounds much like the "voluntary" practices that are held in the offseason.
To me, the real grey area is the connection of the athletic department to the university. If the Chancellor of Ole Miss announced one day that the administration office personnel were "invited" to a daily prayer session before work, how do you think that would go over? I find it interesting when we look at a football program through the lens of being an arm of an academic institution.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:26 pm to Tornado Alley
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Negative. These kids are of the age of majority and are fully able to make their own decisions.
I don't think his point was that they don't get to choose but whether or not their choices have repercussions.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:30 pm to bgator85
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Negative. These kids are of the age of majority and are fully able to make their own decisions.
quote:If Dabo knows he has a Muslim playing on his team, I'd hope that he would practice religious tolerance and understand if the kid didn't participate in prayer sessions, etc. that others may choose to attend.
I don't think his point was that they don't get to choose but whether or not their choices have repercussions.
I know for a fact that Bama has had several Muslim players on the team, and I don't think that Saban being a devout Catholic has caused any issues or uncomfortable situations to those players.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:32 pm to RT1941
It's a public University. All that religious stuff belongs at Note Dame or Boston College.
As far as it's voluntary that;s bull crap. When I ran x country for LSU in the 70's, the coach wanted us to say the Lords prayer before the race. he asked me why I wans't saying anything. I said I had no clue what it was and sure as hell wasn;t going to pray before a race. He and the rest of the team glared at me.
As far as it's voluntary that;s bull crap. When I ran x country for LSU in the 70's, the coach wanted us to say the Lords prayer before the race. he asked me why I wans't saying anything. I said I had no clue what it was and sure as hell wasn;t going to pray before a race. He and the rest of the team glared at me.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:41 pm to Crimson Legend
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If the Chancellor of Ole Miss announced one day that the administration office personnel were "invited" to a daily prayer session before work, how do you think that would go over?
I don't think you understand how much of a hard-on Dan Jone's bitch arse has for diversity and tolerance
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:44 pm to Crimson Legend
The main question, and, really, the only one that matters here, is simply whether the group can establish that there was a legitimate concern from players that they'd suffer repercussions for skipping the "team devotionals" or for not partaking of the culture of "Christian values." There's no argument of overt coercion, so the group has no leg to stand on there. But if they can prove that there was an implicit culture of coercion, then, yes, they could very well win in court, and rightly so simply because Clemson is a public university and its programs can't force members to participate in religious activities under the implied threat of retaliation.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:50 pm to Crimson Legend
So stupid that such a thing as the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" even exists.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:51 pm to imjustafatkid
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So stupid that such a thing as the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" even exists.
Why?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:54 pm to imjustafatkid
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So stupid that such a thing as the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" even exists.
Why? I'm not an atheist, but there are legitimate reasons to challenge illegal or unethical imposition of religion in certain areas. Do you seriously want, just to throw out a popular example, sharia law imposed in courts? Would you -- and many people would, sadly -- be happy if religion dictated all our school's curricula? The Foundation may or may not be actually doing anything of substance, but there are plenty of practical and praiseworthy applications for the principle behind the name.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:55 pm to Crimson Legend
As long as everything is optional, I don't see the problem.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:55 pm to Crimson Legend
OH MY GOD THAT COACH INVITES PLAYERS TO CHURCH AND STUFF AND THINK OF THE CHILDREN PLEASE SOMEONE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED UPON SOMEONE SAVE ME
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:57 pm to imjustafatkid
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So stupid that such a thing as the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" even exists.
Why? There are many in this country who would just as soon see us converted into a theocracy if they had their way.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Crimson Legend
I'm waiting for the day when they start banning invocations in stadiums before the game starts.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
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As long as everything is optional, I don't see the problem.
There isn't a problem...if that's actually the case. But anybody who has ever worked in an office knows that there's a huge difference between "officially voluntary" and "you don't have to pick up the boss' laundry, my friend, because it's not part of your job description, but you're completely fricked if you don't."
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:IIRC, I read that Clemson held 87 prayer sessions/bible studies in roughly a year - With the busy life of a student-athlete there is NO WAY possible that they could have been anything other than optional/voluntary to the players.
As long as everything is optional, I don't see the problem.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:59 pm to Crimson Legend
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:59 pm to RT1941
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OH MY GOD THAT COACH INVITES PLAYERS TO CHURCH AND STUFF AND THINK OF THE CHILDREN PLEASE SOMEONE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED UPON SOMEONE SAVE ME
Would you be fine with a coach who offered voluntary Satanic prayer sessions?
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