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re: Will Spurrier coach into his 70's?
Posted on 3/11/13 at 9:47 am to thefloydian
Posted on 3/11/13 at 9:47 am to thefloydian
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I thought Holtz had some decent years before Spurrier got there. I'm not saying it was good, but compared to the rest of USCe football history, it was probably the best couple years other than Spurrier, right?
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...
2 shitty years, 2 great years and 6 mediocre years in that time frame.
Carolina's all-time winning percentage: slightly above .500.
Carolina's winning percentage during 10 years pre-Spurrier: definitely less than .500
It may not be our absolute worst 10-year period in our history, but it's below average.
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Posted on 3/11/13 at 10:33 am to scrooster
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Both of them were thinking of leaving until Hyman was told if he got another offer he needed to take it
have not heard about this....
Posted on 3/11/13 at 11:43 am to thefloydian
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South Carolina has a worse football history than Vandy. If he won a national title there it would be the most impressive national title win for any coach that I can think of.
And I'm not trying to be a dick, but go back and look at USCe football historically.
Chances are pretty good that I've been a Gamecock fan far longer than you've been on this earth, so yes, I am well-aware of our mediocre football history, although it is somewhat skewed because of what Brad Scott did to us setting us onto that 21 game losing streak late last century.
With regard to your Vandy comparison ... no. Just no. SC has a Heisman winner, SC has had quite a few All-Americans post WWII, post Vietnam and we continue to have ... but you are welcome to your opinion.
Anyways, it's probably a good thing that Gamecock fans could give a rip about the past - it's a place we just refuse to live in ... rather, we're all about the present and future, collectively, as a fan base.
Our state's population has grown from 3 million in 2000, to 4.4 million in 2012. We've always put out some of the best football players in the country because we have great coaches here and this is a sports crazy state. But with the increased population comes more qualified D1 athletes - and these days they are staying home rather than going to FSU, Georgia or Tennessee.
So you keep believing what you will in your mind, I seriously doubt any number of facts are going to change your perception into reality, but the past has nothing to do with SCAR's future football fortunes, nothing in the least.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 11:56 am to thefloydian
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I thought Holtz had some decent years before Spurrier got there. I'm not saying it was good, but compared to the rest of USCe football history, it was probably the best couple years other than Spurrier, right?
To borrow one of your lines, "I'm not trying to be a dick," but it is pretty clear that you are really not very familiar with SC's football history. Mediocre, yes. "Horrible," no. You must be very young.
Horrible football programs do not build 80+ thousand seat stadiums and then fill it week after week.
Horrible football programs do not attract the coaches we have attracted over the years.
Horrible football programs do not reek the promise we have always shown ... we could just never quite get over the hump. It was always about just believing ... the fans always did, we just had to find the players that would along with us.
Holtz arrived and honestly, he started to change the culture. But Spurrier has gotten us over the hump.
Next time you get a chance, come to Columbia for a game, then come back to the board and tell it like it really is.
When we were 0-21, we still packed the stadium ... Vandy can't pack their stadium when they are winning. So you may want to start by revising your thought process right there. Once you do that, then perhaps you'll "get it" a little better.
BTW, under Holtz and Spurrier, (and this is no knock on Bama or any other Bama fans out there but this guy seems intent on trying to validate his ignorant point), but under Holtz and Spurrier - would you happen to know SCAR's record against Bama, since 2000? Nevermind, I'll answer that for you ... it's 3-3. Now, that's not really a big deal, except for one thing ...
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:05 pm to Cockopotamus
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have not heard about this....
Because it's not true....he has a big agenda against certain people, and likes to spew lies....
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:15 pm to ConwayGamecock
figured if there were any truth to it i'd have heard.
most ppl that didn't like Hyman while he was at USC were just butthurt over the psl
most ppl that didn't like Hyman while he was at USC were just butthurt over the psl
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:25 pm to m2pro
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at 5-6 years older than Saban, i will say this... he's gonna quit within 5 years! fa'sho!
why keep goin? he knows how hard it is to win it all... at S carolina.
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i say that with all due respect to s.car fans.. it's just a horrible place to try to win a NC imho.
Moronic post: Spurrier now has the program in far, far better shape than it was at in the first 3-4 seasons, and he didn't quit then. Now that he's experiencing some unprecedented success, you think that's valid reason for him to quit?
USC has always been the dictionary's picture example of "Mediocrity". Our program has mostly been above .500 for the majority of it's existence going all the way back to Sol Metzger, who was our HC in 1920 thru '24. We've had coaches who had slightly losing and slightly winning careers since then, and have toggled above and below the .500 mark for decades.
We never really had great seasons, but never had really poor seasons either. If we go 6-4-1 or 7-4 one season, we typically went 4-6-1 or 4-7 the very next year. And it went on like that...
I guess our AD wasn't in great financial position, because we always hired borderline coaches that were either retiring and wanted one last fling, or were position coaches or head coaches at the FCS level. We did this for a long, long time. We weren't able to hire the big, proven HCs from other programs because we couldn't afford them. And IMO this helped substantially to pave our mediocre history. We got what we paid for....
Holtz - even with the poor seasons at the end - went 33-26, and Spurrier has thus far gone 66-37. That's 99-63 in 14 seasons. A large part of this success is due to the status of both coaches, but also our membership in the SEC has also been a huge boon for us.
With all the facility improvements and extra SEC money, this is why I feel that USC shouldn't drop back down to where it was before Spurrier, after Spurrier leaves. It certainly can, if we again make a poor hire for HC that we've done in the past. But we can afford a competitive salary to compete with any SEC school with the exception of 4 or so. Used to be we couldn't compete with the SEC, the ACC, or even a lot of non-BCS level conference schools...
USC has always had most of the ingredients for a successful college FB program: a large stadium and fanatic and supportive fanbase. In recent years we also have the SEC and it's inflow of money, and all those perks. All we need is to hire quality staffs to run the program, and have them willing to do work on the recruiting trails and sell the program, because despite the great in-state talent it's still not enough, and recruits still arent going to walk into our program. We got to go out and get them to come...
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:57 pm to ConwayGamecock
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because despite the great in-state talent it's still not enough, and recruits still arent going to walk into our program. We got to go out and get them to come...
Agree completely. I feel like our staff has finally figured out a good formula for recruiting. Keep the best talent in state, the majority of the rest come from Georgia NC and Florida, and try and get a few from up North (Jersey, Penn, Maryland). We get our share of 4 and 5 star prospects but we mostly try and recruit high character kids from winning high school programs. We don't have the luxury of being in talent rich states like Cali, Fla, Ga, Lousiana, and Alabama.
After the PapaJohn bowl, I didn't think Spurrier would last much longer but after our recent success, I think he will be here as long as we are competing well.
This post was edited on 3/11/13 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:23 pm to ConwayGamecock
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Because it's not true....he has a big agenda against certain people, and likes to spew lies....
WTF are you talking about dumbass. You don't know dick. Neither Spurrier or Tanner could stand Hyman. Spurrier was fed-up with Hyman meddling in every little aspect of the football team, especially when he made more of the Garcia thing, at the behest of Hyman's wife, than needed to be made at that dinner.
And Tanner had absolutely had enough of Hyman.
Not only that, but several members of our Board of Trustees were tired of Hyman, only two were strongly in support of him and there was beginning to be a rift caused by wanting to keep Tanner on as Head Baseball Coach, and some wanting to allow Hyman to go to UNC.
When it was found-out that he never intended to take the UNC job but was merely bargaining for the extra money, (no one had a problem with that except for one thing), ... and then found-out he was out there talking to A&M people during the whole process, then yeah, it became a manipulation issue with all members of the Board of Trustees save one. Period. And Hyman had to go and he knew it.
PSIs my feathery fricking arse. How fricking old are you boy? PSIs had to be done and everyone knew it. It was long overdue and something Mike McGee should have done. PSIs had nothing to do with Eric Hyman's bullshite. Know what the frick you are talking about before you claim some bullshite like that.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:29 pm to weagle99
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Spurrier will be rustling UGA jimmies form here to eternity.
I will admit that my jimmies have been rustled by Spurrier on many occasions. As a UGA and Redskins fan, I have watched Steve Spurrier act as both a nemesis to UGA and a destroyer of my favorite pro team from within. I hope he starts his well deserved retirement soon.
His jimmies were rustled by UGA as a player, and he's spent the rest of his career getting vengeance.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:36 pm to Cockopotamus
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figured if there were any truth to it i'd have heard.
most ppl that didn't like Hyman while he was at USC were just butthurt over the psl
That's horse fricking shite. The fans who were pissed at Hyman over the PSLs were either the old timers who couldn't afford it, their kids who were getting a free ride, or the very few fans who simply didn't care about us improving our facilities over time.
The reason Hyman was disliked was because he was a back stabbing political piece of crap. No one liked him after his first three years when everyone realized he took credit for everything. Everything good that happened, he took credit for.
Name a building improvement, or a coaching hire, that Hyman initiated that has paid-off big so far.
Dawn Staley, that's it.
He was afraid to fire Mark Berson and hire Doug Allison, like he should have done when he first took the job.
He totally fricked-up the Darrin Horn thing and cost us a lot of money in the process.
He failed to hire two different big time track coaches to replace Curtis Frye - and Frye is over the hill.
He hired Frank Martin, which we think is going to be a good hire but the jury is still out.
McGee hired both Spurrier and Tanner.
Hyman had more failures as hires than successes at every level.
Hyman took complete credit for the negotiations with a family who had always wanted to donate the land to SC ... but he screwed it up so badly we ended-up actually having to pay for the land to build our baseball stadium.
He did the same thing when a family wanted to donate a bunch of property down in Olympia ... screwed it up so badly with his high and mighty ways that they walked away from the table.
He tried to take over some web domains from one person, even threatened to sue if the domains were not handed over, and was told to shove it up his arse. That was during the transition from USCSports.com to GamecocksOnline.com and that was after the owner of the other domain was even going to donate the domain to the school, but Hyman fricked it up so badly with his bullshite that everyone got up and walked away from the table.
Hyman pissed off more big time donors and more long time Gamecock fans than all other ADs in history. Yet he takes credit for every win, every accomplishment, every upgrade.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:40 pm to ConwayGamecock
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Moronic post:
So, when he never wins one, can I tell you how "moronic" your post was?
It's nothing to get all worked up over.. it's just that Spurrier way outclasses that school. and even he can't take that school to the big game. and let's face it... when y'all got to the SECCG vs Auburn it's not like the east was all that strong. When Spurrier leaves, South Carolina will still just be South Carolina. No offense... but it takes a LONG time and a lot of wins to change that perception.
but that's just like... my opinion, man.
This post was edited on 3/11/13 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:46 pm to ConwayGamecock
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I guess our AD wasn't in great financial position, because we always hired borderline coaches that were either retiring and wanted one last fling, or were position coaches or head coaches at the FCS level. We did this for a long, long time. We weren't able to hire the big, proven HCs from other programs because we couldn't afford them. And IMO this helped substantially to pave our mediocre history. We got what we paid for....
lulz
How full of shite are you?
Paul Dietzel was the highest paid coach in the ACC when he was here. He was one of the original #100k men in the entire country.
Jim Carlen was one of the top twenty highest paid coaches in the country when he was fired. And he was fired for something other than failure to perform. Which only goes to illustrate just how full of shite your historical perspective truly is ConwayCock, and how out of touch you really are with the past, present and future of the program.
Nary a mention of the internal destructive politics of the school from '55 -'95? Nary a mention of the tobacco road academic roadblocks and battles or the James Holderman days. No mention whatsoever of Joe Morrison's death - and the circumstances surrounding it. All of the above pre-SEC and none of it having one fricking thing to do with not having enough money ... which was NEVER a problem at SC.
lulz - just stfu Conway. You don't have a clue wtf you are talking about.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:52 pm to scrooster
You sound pretty mad dude
Posted on 3/11/13 at 4:02 pm to CNB
So, when he never wins one, can I tell you how
U scared man???
Don't worry a lot of teams are scared of what spurrier could turn this program into it's ok to be scared
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"moronic" your post was?
It's nothing to get all worked up over.. it's just that Spurrier way outclasses that school. and even he can't take that school to the big game. and let's face it... when y'all got to the SECCG vs Auburn it's not like the east was all that strong. When Spurrier leaves, South Carolina will still just be South Carolina. No offense... but it takes a LONG time and a lot of wins to change that perception.
but that's just like... my opinion, man.
U scared man???
Don't worry a lot of teams are scared of what spurrier could turn this program into it's ok to be scared
Posted on 3/11/13 at 4:07 pm to CNB
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You sound pretty mad dude
Nah, I just have a hard time with shite-talking chaps on the Internet that think they know wtf they are talking about.
Eric Hyman was bull$#!+ and everyone within the program knows it and still talks about being glad he is gone. I'm in that building four or five times a month and things are far more pleasant over there than they were the entire time Hyman was roaming the halls ... and I am talking figuratively because the Round House is not leveled and we are in the new building now, but I'm talking about the people, the attitude, the general feeling that no one is going to get stabbed in the back over there under Tanner like so many did under Hyman.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 4:25 pm to scrooster
Probably since he just got Connor Mitch there. He will most certainly coach into his 70's if we somehow land Drew Barker
Posted on 3/11/13 at 4:37 pm to scrooster
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Anyways, it's probably a good thing that Gamecock fans could give a rip about the past - it's a place we just refuse to live in ... rather, we're all about the present and future, collectively, as a fan base.
So are you going to continue to "give a rip about the past" when Spurrier retires and inevitably your program falls back to mediocrity or slightly above it?
I doubt it - only fan bases with no past have that kind of response and disregard history. Just like any other fan base struggling you will look to the "glory days" under Spurrier, its only natural.
You guys hit the jackpot with a HOF coach wanting to get out of the NFL and it will be incredibly hard to replicate that as you can see even the best of programs in the country whiff on 3-4 straight coaches before returning to prominence. And its been recently amplified with how competitive the SEC has gotten.
This post was edited on 3/11/13 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 4:40 pm to Bassmanbruno
All I see here is a bunch of wishful thinking.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 7:38 pm to Bassmanbruno
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So are you going to continue to "give a rip about the past" when Spurrier retires and inevitably your program falls back to mediocrity or slightly above it?
From where are you receiving your visions into the future? Crystal balls or magic 8 balls? lulz Oh wait, I'll bet it's tea leaves, right?
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You guys hit the jackpot with a HOF coach wanting to get out of the NFL and it will be incredibly hard to replicate that as you can see even the best of programs in the country whiff on 3-4 straight coaches before returning to prominence. And its been recently amplified with how competitive the SEC has gotten
Yes, we did hit the jackpot ... we fired one HOF coach and hired another one. So I guess that pretty-much lays to waste your entire premise, huh?
Steve Spurrier's replacement will come from within. It will be one of two people, when the time comes, and both are very capable of continuing on his legacy here ... which is something he is deeply invested in. This is his legacy more than anything else and he will tell you that because, more than anything, he wants to leave the program where success can be sustained. Everything he is doing right now is not only with the present in mind, but also with the future.
Steve Spurrier is the main man responsible for the capital upgrades and building improvements in and around that stadium. And before he is gone we'll have even more facilities that will be second to none including a soon to be started new indoor practice facility that they intend to make the finest in the country. And plans are already underway for a Gamecock Hall of Fame, a museum if you will .... all Spurrier's babies. Because winning is what brings in the money, fills the seats, makes boosters happy. Sure, being in the SEC is fine, it's beautiful even, but nothing beats winning and that is what Spurrier is doing.
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