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Posted on 12/18/16 at 5:27 pm to TimeOutdoors
Posted on 12/18/16 at 5:27 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Tell me one consistently winning program that doesn't have their student section down low along the length of the court.
Kentucky.
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Posted on 12/18/16 at 5:44 pm to goldennugget
Can we blame the Russians?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 6:08 pm to UF
Blame the electoral college
So if actually more people watch. It still doesn't count
From what I heard one goober television is equal to two Mexicans and a woman television
So if actually more people watch. It still doesn't count
From what I heard one goober television is equal to two Mexicans and a woman television
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 6:18 pm to goldennugget
I just think it's a very down year for SEC basketball. Talent and coaching just isn't there.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 6:36 pm to goldennugget
Because most SEC teams don't have the size and height needed on the inside, combined with great, heady perimeter shooters. Kentucky has those things every year, and they stand out.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 6:43 pm to MasterAbe1
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I just think it's a very down year for SEC basketball.
Not even close.
This is a pretty good year for our league in basketball. The leagues RPI numbers also reflect that.
Just because some of your teams suck, doesn't mean the rest of the league does.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 6:56 pm to BhamDore
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Baseball is still a niche sport on the collegiate level. This board is not an accurate representation of how important college baseball really is.
Wonder how basketball and baseball attendance compare across the board in the SEC?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:03 pm to scrooster
I was a student at Arkansas when the Hogs joined the SEC and started play during the 1991-1992 basketball season.
By then, basketball had been big time at Arkansas since Eddie Sutton built it up in the 1970s.
I was consistently surprised at how dinky and small most SEC basketball arenas were, except for Rupp Arena and Thompson Boling at Tennessee (I know it's been a volleyball venue for years now, just like what happened to Barnhill Arena).
Barnhill held only 9,000, but was consistently full and rocking.
Most other SEC crowds just didn't compare.
After years in Barnhill Arena, Bud Walton Arena opened in 1993, and held 20K.
Even Florida's "O-Dome" holds only 12K. And that's after their pair of titles in 2006 and 2007.
Except for Kentucky, and for brief period at Florida, basketball always seemed like an afterthought in the SEC.
That atmosphere combined with the overall decline in college basketball the last several years hasn't helped the situation one bit.
You can point to NCAA tournament viewership numbers all you want, but those numbers really don't mean much.
The NCAA basketball tournament is a cultural event, meaning lots of folks who don't care one thing about college basketball the rest of the year will watch a few NCAA tourney games because it's what everybody else is doing.
I haven't watched a regular season NFL game in years. But I always watch the Super Bowl, not because I care about NFL football, but because I'm at somebody's Super Bowl party, and I want to see the commercials.
Watching only the Super Bowl every year does NOT make me an NFL fan any more than millions of folks watching between one and 3 NCAA Tournament games per year makes them college basketball fans.
NCAA basketball overall is in decline for all sorts of reasons.
Hoops was an afterthought at pretty much ever SEC program except for Kentucky and Arkansas going back to the early 1990s.
And the bottom dropped out at Arkansas with the firing of Nolan Richardson, and now the Hogs draw like 5,000 per game.
That might change, but so far, that's what is happening right now.
By then, basketball had been big time at Arkansas since Eddie Sutton built it up in the 1970s.
I was consistently surprised at how dinky and small most SEC basketball arenas were, except for Rupp Arena and Thompson Boling at Tennessee (I know it's been a volleyball venue for years now, just like what happened to Barnhill Arena).
Barnhill held only 9,000, but was consistently full and rocking.
Most other SEC crowds just didn't compare.
After years in Barnhill Arena, Bud Walton Arena opened in 1993, and held 20K.
Even Florida's "O-Dome" holds only 12K. And that's after their pair of titles in 2006 and 2007.
Except for Kentucky, and for brief period at Florida, basketball always seemed like an afterthought in the SEC.
That atmosphere combined with the overall decline in college basketball the last several years hasn't helped the situation one bit.
You can point to NCAA tournament viewership numbers all you want, but those numbers really don't mean much.
The NCAA basketball tournament is a cultural event, meaning lots of folks who don't care one thing about college basketball the rest of the year will watch a few NCAA tourney games because it's what everybody else is doing.
I haven't watched a regular season NFL game in years. But I always watch the Super Bowl, not because I care about NFL football, but because I'm at somebody's Super Bowl party, and I want to see the commercials.
Watching only the Super Bowl every year does NOT make me an NFL fan any more than millions of folks watching between one and 3 NCAA Tournament games per year makes them college basketball fans.
NCAA basketball overall is in decline for all sorts of reasons.
Hoops was an afterthought at pretty much ever SEC program except for Kentucky and Arkansas going back to the early 1990s.
And the bottom dropped out at Arkansas with the firing of Nolan Richardson, and now the Hogs draw like 5,000 per game.
That might change, but so far, that's what is happening right now.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:11 pm to goldennugget
Country/small town black kids in the South have fields to play in as opposed to city northern black kids who only have asphalt playgrounds.
Then most people stay in their own region.
Then most people stay in their own region.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:17 pm to HogsOfWar
quote:I can remember when there was a waiting list on season tickets before the Stansbury/Renardo debacle. You win - you sell tickets.
And the bottom dropped out at Arkansas with the firing of Nolan Richardson, and now the Hogs draw like 5,000 per game.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:19 pm to goldennugget
We are working on it. Overall the league is improved over last year. Ky, FL, SC, Ark, AU, TN are all better than last year. GA and Ms St about the same as last year. A&M is down a bit but still good. Ala not up to last year but headed in the right direction. Miss off a bit but still ok. Vandy down but give the new coach a chance. LSU and MO probably in the last year of bad coaches.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:19 pm to goldennugget
Not really LSU and Kentucky's fault that other programs can't produce top tier NBA talent.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 8:34 pm to MeatPants
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The NCAA tournament contract is in the billions. That's just the tournament. Football makes money. It has more viewers. The stadiums are huge. We get it
I'm just saying people care more about basketball than you think. It makes money too. Kentucky does fine. So does Duke. Basketball are huge money makers for those schools
The tournament and contract and ratings are in the billions for the whole country and a hell of a lot of teams and conferences split that as they do. The SEC football contract for cbs is billions and so is the one with espn. Big 10 football even makes more, but so does their basketball i bet. Football is the priority in the sec and most conferences. UK bball does make money but peanuts compared to the revenue Bama football brings the conference. I don't even think we are really arguing here. I know basketball is profitable and you seem to know football is more profitable. Uk and Duke both make money for their conferences through basketball, but both of their conferences make much more through football. I wish the rest of the SEC would make basketball a higher priority, but as time passes it keeps falling more behind football in revenue. That is why football is a higher priority in southern culture. Not everywhere in the South but most places. The thread os why is SEC basketball so bad. The answer I gave is thatit takes a backseat to football in most of the SEC schools. The schools would rather invest in football facilities and use their time and energy and resources because it pays off better in the long run.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 9:02 pm to viceman
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The schools would rather invest in football facilities and use their time and energy and resources because it pays off better in the long run.
Speak for yourself. Hard to think of a worse basketball venue in the SEC than the shithole that is Coleman.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 10:12 pm to goldennugget
Low alumni demand
College athletics are demand-and-supply entities.
College athletics are demand-and-supply entities.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 12:21 am to stomp
Basketball is on the decline quality-wise all over from the top down. The NBA is a select handful of good teams like Golden State and Cleveland and a bunch of mediocre to bad teams chasing them. College hoops is becoming the same thing: everyone chasing UK, Duke, UNC, Arizona, Mich. St, Wiskey, Kansas and UCLA. And that is even trickling down to the high school level. More great athletes are playing football and baseball and basketball is suffering. Kentucky is Kentucky and always will be. But being an old fart, I saw SEC basketball in it's heyday and I can tell you, beyond UK, there's not an SEC school out there that would want to face their counterpart from the mid 80's. Those teams from the not-so-distant past would kick the living shite out of today's team at their same school. LSU under Dale Brown, Bama under Wimp Sanderson, Nolan Richardson bringing 90 minutes of hell. Those teams could play. The league had serious depth as the 8th and 9th place teams could beat anybody on a given night. We were sending 6 teams to the tourney and bitching about numbers 7 and 8 that got left out. Basketball is just bad now. The game has decomposed into just an isolation game where teamwork, leadership, and experience don't occur and don't matter. It's one and done and if I don't start right away and pour in a double double every night, I'm transferring. It needs to be looked at and addressed. The sport is dying a slow, painful death. And the regular season has been devalued to nothing for everyone but the bubble teams. The blue bloods get in on reputation and cache', the Cinderellas get in by winning their league tourney, and the teams in the middle are the only ones that have to go out and win every night. It sucks.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:57 am to phil4bama
As an alternative look to the future, ESPN is on a path to becoming unprofitable. The incredible broadcast rights fees ESPN pays to the NFL, NBA, College Football Playoffs and all major conferences have created such high fixed costs for ESPN that if the network continues to lose subscribers at the current rate it will begin to lose money in about 3 years.
What happens when ESPN is no longer outbidding every other network for sports broadcast rights? I could see where ESPN is no longer the home for college football but instead focuses on college basketball like it did when it helped build an unknown conference (The Big East) into a national power.
For those unaware, all cable subscribers pay about $7.00 per month to ESPN....even old ladies who don't know what an ESPN is. That $7.00 is multiple times higher than every other cable channel fee and when people cancel cable it is a major hit to ESPN. Losing cable subscribers means little to CBS Sports, NBC Sports, FOX Sports, etc., but it is a slow death for ESPN due to their high fixed costs in the form of broadcast rights fees.
ESPN created this college football money monster and the conferences and athletic departments have gotten fat from the huge tv money that got built up over the years because ESPN could outbid every other network, and with every new contract the money just got bigger. There is a likely future where TV rights fees decline and college football is no longer The Godfather of every athletic department to which all other sports must kneel.
What happens when ESPN is no longer outbidding every other network for sports broadcast rights? I could see where ESPN is no longer the home for college football but instead focuses on college basketball like it did when it helped build an unknown conference (The Big East) into a national power.
For those unaware, all cable subscribers pay about $7.00 per month to ESPN....even old ladies who don't know what an ESPN is. That $7.00 is multiple times higher than every other cable channel fee and when people cancel cable it is a major hit to ESPN. Losing cable subscribers means little to CBS Sports, NBC Sports, FOX Sports, etc., but it is a slow death for ESPN due to their high fixed costs in the form of broadcast rights fees.
ESPN created this college football money monster and the conferences and athletic departments have gotten fat from the huge tv money that got built up over the years because ESPN could outbid every other network, and with every new contract the money just got bigger. There is a likely future where TV rights fees decline and college football is no longer The Godfather of every athletic department to which all other sports must kneel.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 6:01 am to Toneski
And that is how and why the "one and done" players are helping kill college basketball.
There is no reason to focus on team. None at all.
The only focus is on personal stats and improving draft status during that one short season.
As a result, team basketball dies, and it's all one-on-one isolation.
It''s like watching a bunch of young, raw Allen Iversons who want to show off their allegedly mad skillz.
For you young pups, go look at how many championship teams Iverson played on, high school to college to NBA.
Plus how many Olympic Gold Medals he helped bring home.
For those too lazy to google, despite being 1st overall pick, NBA MVP and scoring scads of points, Iverson won ZERO championships and helped USA to a bronze in Olympic basketball.
There is no "team" in Iverson. Only one big "I."
Tons of that mindset in NCAA hoops these days
There is no reason to focus on team. None at all.
The only focus is on personal stats and improving draft status during that one short season.
As a result, team basketball dies, and it's all one-on-one isolation.
It''s like watching a bunch of young, raw Allen Iversons who want to show off their allegedly mad skillz.
For you young pups, go look at how many championship teams Iverson played on, high school to college to NBA.
Plus how many Olympic Gold Medals he helped bring home.
For those too lazy to google, despite being 1st overall pick, NBA MVP and scoring scads of points, Iverson won ZERO championships and helped USA to a bronze in Olympic basketball.
There is no "team" in Iverson. Only one big "I."
Tons of that mindset in NCAA hoops these days
Posted on 12/19/16 at 6:12 am to HogsOfWar
One last point. The UNLV team with Larry Johnson, Stacey Augmon and Greg Anthony was the best college team I have ever seen.
All of those guys stayed through their senior year.
Today, a team like that cannot exist as those players are one and done.
Many learn the game in the D League instead.
All of those guys stayed through their senior year.
Today, a team like that cannot exist as those players are one and done.
Many learn the game in the D League instead.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 6:18 am
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:03 am to HogsOfWar
Interesting, everyone on the 38-1 UK team besides one of the Harrison twin is playing and making major contributions in the NBA today.
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