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re: Why is SEC Basketball so bad
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:12 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:12 pm to TomRollTideRitter
One and done is ruining college basketball. The best teams are just that...teams.
Despite all the raw talent at some schools, the consistent factor in most teams' success is senior leadership. You see it every year a team on the cusp of greatness but they lose a critical player to the draft.
Despite all the raw talent at some schools, the consistent factor in most teams' success is senior leadership. You see it every year a team on the cusp of greatness but they lose a critical player to the draft.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 4:15 pm
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Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:13 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I blame Obama
Make SEC Basketball Great Again
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:16 pm to dbeck
Every team has to deal with one and done. Why would that hurt the SEC more than any other conference?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:25 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:Maybe you ought to go to game or two. Y'all just built a $42mm stadium. Obviously, someone cares.
Except a player or two, I've never met anyone who cared about college baseball off this board.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:28 pm to goldennugget
College basketball in general around the country has hit the skids the last decade or so. There's only a few good teams and then a gigantic pile of mediocre.
NBA one and done
Bigger emphasis on football
are the two major factors IMO
NBA one and done
Bigger emphasis on football
are the two major factors IMO
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:34 pm to IAmReality
I think you are dead wrong. First year of college playoff
Final four game. Kentucky vs Wisconsin. 28.3 million viewers
Final four football. Ohio state vs alabama. 27.2 million viewers. Same year
The country cares more than you think about cbb. Unless there is some electoral college ratings bullshite. There were more viewers for a basketball game than blue blood football teams in the first playoff game ever.
Final four game. Kentucky vs Wisconsin. 28.3 million viewers
Final four football. Ohio state vs alabama. 27.2 million viewers. Same year
The country cares more than you think about cbb. Unless there is some electoral college ratings bullshite. There were more viewers for a basketball game than blue blood football teams in the first playoff game ever.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:34 pm to goldennugget
But in all seriousness, I enjoy basketball, once it's the only game in town. I pay absolutely no attention to it until all of football is over with. I really don't get too worked up about it until March Madness. That's great. But once baseball starts, it's baseball until I take a break for March Madness. But the SEC has had a run of several years with bad coaching. We made a horrible hire after Stansbury, Pearl had Tennessee on the up tick until that went South, Pearl may get Auburn going but the guy before him was horrendous. Alabama and LSU have had a tough run with coaches but the guy at Alabama is better than the ones they have had in the past.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:36 pm to Diamondawg
I have been. It's a nice facility. That doesn't change the fact that it doesn't hold a finger to the big 2 sports.
Last year the football title game averaged close to 25 million viewers, and the basketball title game averaged close to 18 million viewers. The College World Series averaged around 2 million.
Last year the football title game averaged close to 25 million viewers, and the basketball title game averaged close to 18 million viewers. The College World Series averaged around 2 million.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:39 pm to goldennugget
The SEC as a whole, is better this season in basketball. For the first time in a while, the SEC is not ranked behind every P5 conference in the ratings index. This season, we are just behind Big Ten and ahead of the Pac 12.
Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas and Texas A&M look to have teams that can make the tourney. Auburn, Ole Miss, and Georgia look to have teams that can possibly sneak their way in.
Just because you see one team laying an egg on a Saturday doesn't mean the entire league is bad.
The top half of the league teams have good wins so far this season with strong resume building wins at that.
Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas and Texas A&M look to have teams that can make the tourney. Auburn, Ole Miss, and Georgia look to have teams that can possibly sneak their way in.
Just because you see one team laying an egg on a Saturday doesn't mean the entire league is bad.
The top half of the league teams have good wins so far this season with strong resume building wins at that.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:44 pm to ButchGetsIt
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Not many good coaches in the SEC
It depends
Calipari is Calipari.
NIT King Mike White has never proven anything other than being able to go to the NIT. Never made NCAA Tourney as head coach
Rick Barnes has a Final Four but is seen as an underachiever
I think Frank Martin is a passionate coach, but is he a good Xs and Os guy?
Bryce Drew is out of his league in the SEC
Mark Fox, dare I say it, inherited his strong Nevada teams from Trent Johnson of all people - and then Nevada declined once Trent Johnson's influence wore off.
Kim Anderson is also out of his league. Should have gone to a mid tier D1 team first before straight to the SEC
Billy Kennedy took a while to get going.
Mike Anderson's system can't win on the road
Johnny Jones is a bad coach, no other way to spin it.
Avery Johnson as a college coach is still an experiment in progress.
Bruce Pearl is a good coach but can he stay clean.
Ben Howland is the same way. I don't think Howland is as good as an Xs and Os guy as Pearl.
Andy Kennedy - how is he still there at Ole Miss?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:45 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Don't agree? Tell me one consistently winning program that doesn't have their student section down low along the length of the court.
Like, along the sideline?
A shite ton of them.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:46 pm to MeatPants
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Final four game. Kentucky vs Wisconsin. 28.3 million viewers
Final four football. Ohio state vs alabama. 27.2 million viewers. Same year
I worked at a CBS Affiliate for a couple NCAA tournaments. It's a big deal. I think people don't realize that the gap between college football and college basketball is getting smaller. Regular Season College Basketball still has ways to go, but the postseason draws huge numbers.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:49 pm to MeatPants
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The country cares more than you think about cbb. Unless there is some electoral college ratings bullshite. There were more viewers for a basketball game than blue blood football teams in the first playoff game ever.
I agree with your overall point. However, Kentucky was undefeated that year, so there was extra reason for people to watch (as there was for the football game because it was the inaugural playoff).
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:49 pm to BayouBengals03
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Like, along the sideline?
Thats an SEC thing, if you're referencing behind the benches as the sideline.
The SEC says that in football and basketball, student sections may not be behind the benches. That is why Arkansas moved ours to the opposite side across from the bench, into the corner, and behind one basket.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:51 pm to goldennugget
I don't think regular season CBB will ever catch up because the games just aren't very important in the regular season for the good teams because so many teams make the tournament
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:53 pm to Hawgeye
Pretty sure the student sections at North Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas, Wisconsin etc. are all on the baseline.
Kentucky fits into the SEC thing, of course.
Duke is the only blue blood I can think of off the top of my head that has their students along the sideline.
Kentucky fits into the SEC thing, of course.
Duke is the only blue blood I can think of off the top of my head that has their students along the sideline.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:56 pm to MeatPants
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I think you are dead wrong. First year of college playoff
Final four game. Kentucky vs Wisconsin. 28.3 million viewers
Final four football. Ohio state vs alabama. 27.2 million viewers. Same year
The country cares more than you think about cbb. Unless there is some electoral college ratings bullshite. There were more viewers for a basketball game than blue blood football teams in the first playoff game ever.
Be that as it may be. The tv money from a basketball team is peanuts compared to tv football money.Basketball and wrestling tend to be more popular in cold weather states because they are indoor sports. I bet the ratings in the South were better for the football game especially in Alabama and South Carolina. Basketball was much more of a priority in the 80's and 90's, but tv contracts for football skyrocketed these last 30 years and now dwarves basketball revenue for the power 5 conferences. It is still profitable. It's just a smaller piece of the whole pie lately. If the South was to make basketball as high of a priority as Kentucky and many other states do, then I am sure the conference would improve. As a whole we are just much more of a football culture, and it shows in the product we put on the court these days.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 4:59 pm to viceman
Football dwarves basketball at almost every school. If it didn't, the Big East wouldn't have fallen apart.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 5:07 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Football dwarves basketball at almost every school. If it didn't, the Big East wouldn't have fallen apart.
I wasn't speaking of popularity, I was speaking of the tv contracts for the conferences in football are so large, that it has become the priority in the decisions made by the conferences and each school's athletic departments. Just because the championship basketball game had more viewers than the football one did, doesn't mean the football games don't get more viewers.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 5:15 pm to viceman
The NCAA tournament contract is in the billions. That's just the tournament. Football makes money. It has more viewers. The stadiums are huge. We get it
I'm just saying people care more about basketball than you think. It makes money too. Kentucky does fine. So does Duke. Basketball are huge money makers for those schools
I'm just saying people care more about basketball than you think. It makes money too. Kentucky does fine. So does Duke. Basketball are huge money makers for those schools
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