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re: Why is Oklahoma able to get recruits, but Arkansas can't?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:36 am to Chase Daniel
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:36 am to Chase Daniel
You don't understand the gauntlet because Missouri plays in the east. The east has just been historically bad for about the last 8 or 9 years.
Any team can win some random bowl game after a month off against a top SEC team or even a non conference game.
Look at what happened to Ole Miss and Arkansas. After playing a grueling game against each other both had to take road trips to Jordan Hare and Tiger Stadium and we're boat raced.
When you have that grueling 4 game stretch with road trips to 90,000 or 100,000 seat stadiums. When you play teams week in and out with 100 million dollar athletic budgets and tons of NFL players and access to the best highschool talent in the country. It takes a toll.
When OU's most difficult game is against TCU and Baylor teams with limited resources and small stadiums and average overall team talent. That don't really compare to OU.
The Big 12 is the least talented conference out of the power 5. They also have some of the smallest stadiums and fan bases. They all recruit from one State where the talent pool is so diluted because the entire country recruits there.
It's not close to the same level of competition. It's not meant to belittle other conferences it's just the facts.
The BIG 10 has the big time programs with stadiums and athletic budgets to match the SEC, but doesn't have access to the deep talent pool.
The ACC has access to the deep talent pool, but doesn't have the programs with the 100 million dollar athletic budgets and 100,000 and 90,000 seat stadiums.
No other conference has the combination of The deep south and gulf coast foot print that just produces the best players. The SEC has like 10 out top 17 athletic budgets in the whole country. They also have 10 programs with stadiums of 70,000 or more. While the big 12 has like 2.
Just a different animal.
There are haves and have nots.
That's why there is a BIG 6 in the SEC. The BIG 6 were the haves, but the TV money and the addition of Texas A&M have kind of disrupted that. There are a lot of haves now financially in the SEC, but Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky and Vanderbilt don't really have access to that deep talent pool.
Any team can win some random bowl game after a month off against a top SEC team or even a non conference game.
Look at what happened to Ole Miss and Arkansas. After playing a grueling game against each other both had to take road trips to Jordan Hare and Tiger Stadium and we're boat raced.
When you have that grueling 4 game stretch with road trips to 90,000 or 100,000 seat stadiums. When you play teams week in and out with 100 million dollar athletic budgets and tons of NFL players and access to the best highschool talent in the country. It takes a toll.
When OU's most difficult game is against TCU and Baylor teams with limited resources and small stadiums and average overall team talent. That don't really compare to OU.
The Big 12 is the least talented conference out of the power 5. They also have some of the smallest stadiums and fan bases. They all recruit from one State where the talent pool is so diluted because the entire country recruits there.
It's not close to the same level of competition. It's not meant to belittle other conferences it's just the facts.
The BIG 10 has the big time programs with stadiums and athletic budgets to match the SEC, but doesn't have access to the deep talent pool.
The ACC has access to the deep talent pool, but doesn't have the programs with the 100 million dollar athletic budgets and 100,000 and 90,000 seat stadiums.
No other conference has the combination of The deep south and gulf coast foot print that just produces the best players. The SEC has like 10 out top 17 athletic budgets in the whole country. They also have 10 programs with stadiums of 70,000 or more. While the big 12 has like 2.
Just a different animal.
There are haves and have nots.
That's why there is a BIG 6 in the SEC. The BIG 6 were the haves, but the TV money and the addition of Texas A&M have kind of disrupted that. There are a lot of haves now financially in the SEC, but Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky and Vanderbilt don't really have access to that deep talent pool.
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:39 am to Chazzy McRamzee
Because their fat coach alienated many of Texas' high school coaches with his stupid comments about fullbacks and offenses that are commonly run in Texas.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:50 am to therick711
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Because their fat coach alienated many of Texas' high school coaches with his stupid comments about fullbacks and offenses that are commonly run in Texas.
OU has recruited better than us far longer than Bielema has been the coach here. It sure alienated the #3 RB in the country from coming here.
Arkansas does produce good top-end talent, just not enough of it. In the last 10 years the state has produced a heisman runner up, doak walker winner, rimington award winner and two mackey award winners. But it's just so inconsistent year to year and once you get past the top 3-4 players the rest are FCS or D2 level.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:58 am to Chazzy McRamzee
My working assumption is recruits don't believe BB will live long enough for them to graduate. Mostly because he resembles an ambulatory elephant seal.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:00 am to therick711
There is pecking order in Texas recruiting. The talent pool is diluted after Texas, Aggie,OU, LSU, all the Big name national programs, then the Baylors, TCUs, Oklahoma States etc all have come in and secured players.
Arkansas is just behind the eight ball compared to every other school in the West.
Alabama and Louisiana are loaded with recruits every year. Alabama also boarders Florida and Georgia.
LSU has a loaded state to themselves and they are in front of Arkansas in the Texas pecking order.
Auburn has a die hard fan base in Alabama and is going to get some of those kids just because of how they were raised and is only a short drive from Atlanta.
The Mississippi schools lock down Mississippi and can easily get kids from Alabama and Louisiana more so than Arkansas because of distance. They can also get kids from Florida and Georgia easier because of distance.
Arkansas historically has overachieved based on their location.
Arkansas is just behind the eight ball compared to every other school in the West.
Alabama and Louisiana are loaded with recruits every year. Alabama also boarders Florida and Georgia.
LSU has a loaded state to themselves and they are in front of Arkansas in the Texas pecking order.
Auburn has a die hard fan base in Alabama and is going to get some of those kids just because of how they were raised and is only a short drive from Atlanta.
The Mississippi schools lock down Mississippi and can easily get kids from Alabama and Louisiana more so than Arkansas because of distance. They can also get kids from Florida and Georgia easier because of distance.
Arkansas historically has overachieved based on their location.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:14 am to BhamDore
Both myself and the original OU poster were arguing with the "Good luck OU. If you were in the SEC you would be in the Birmingham Bowl at best!" The fact that both Missouri and A&M who were OU's whipping boys in the Big 12 are better than that just makes the original poster look stupid. Talk about the East and all the other excuses all you want the SEC isn't that much better than the other conferences. Alabama yes, the rest sorry you may believe the circular logic that the media and pollsters believe that keep these teams in the top 25 but it just isn't that strong. The OOC games and bowl games have shown that haven't they?
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 9:15 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:24 am to Chazzy McRamzee
Tuscaloosa:
54.09% White
42.73% Black or African American
0.16% Native American
1.49% Asian
0.02% Pacific Islander
Baton Rouge:
40.8% White,
50.4% Black or African American
0.5% Native American
3.5% Asian
NWA:
89.70% White
1.22% African American
1.53% Native American
1.19% Asian
0.29% Pacific Islander
Oklahoma is a college football "blue blood" + being close to Texas + OKC has 15 times greater of the demographic you need to compete than NWA (15% Black or African American)
Oregon was pure garbage before and after Chip Kelly, similar to us before and after Petrino.
54.09% White
42.73% Black or African American
0.16% Native American
1.49% Asian
0.02% Pacific Islander
Baton Rouge:
40.8% White,
50.4% Black or African American
0.5% Native American
3.5% Asian
NWA:
89.70% White
1.22% African American
1.53% Native American
1.19% Asian
0.29% Pacific Islander
Oklahoma is a college football "blue blood" + being close to Texas + OKC has 15 times greater of the demographic you need to compete than NWA (15% Black or African American)
Oregon was pure garbage before and after Chip Kelly, similar to us before and after Petrino.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:35 am to BhamDore
Fayetteville is a crap hole. The U of A campus itself is a treasured gem. I've had a lot of fun there in my visits. But there's nothing near Fayetteville for people to enjoy.
Norman has a lot of nice places to go. It's a modern and upcoming city, blended with OKC which is a modern and upcoming, top rated relocation city.
championships, prestige, accolades help as well. Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska have done well in that for not being within an hour of a major city or beach.
Arkansas is just unfortunate. They also have that loss to The Citadel in the early 90s. Oklahoma doesn't have that kind of distinction.
Norman has a lot of nice places to go. It's a modern and upcoming city, blended with OKC which is a modern and upcoming, top rated relocation city.
championships, prestige, accolades help as well. Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska have done well in that for not being within an hour of a major city or beach.
Arkansas is just unfortunate. They also have that loss to The Citadel in the early 90s. Oklahoma doesn't have that kind of distinction.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:44 am to Chase Daniel
Again I've seen Bama lose Bowl games to lesser teams. 1 win against an SEC power house in a bowl game is still not the same as 8 SEC games and an SECCG. Nobody Truly believes OU would be in the Birmingham bowl that was hyperbole. They would be in the mix most years, but nobody really dominates the SEC except Steve Spurrier in the 90s and Bear Bryant in the 70s. For All of Bama's success in 9 years of Saban they have win the SEC 4 times. Back to back in 2014 and 2015. That was the first time there was a repeat winner since 97-98 UT teams. Urban Meyers dominant UF teams were not able to do it. It's hard to do.
In 2015 the current big 12 had 132 players in the NFL vs 309 for the SEC. The big 12 was almost 100 less than the next power 5 conference. OU has a huge talent advantage vs everyone in the big 12 sans Texas.
Arkansas who is behind the 8 ball as far as talent compared to the rest of the SEC west would be one of the most talented Big 12 teams. They would also have one of the biggest stadiums and biggest athletic budgets.
NFL players by conference.
In 2015 the current big 12 had 132 players in the NFL vs 309 for the SEC. The big 12 was almost 100 less than the next power 5 conference. OU has a huge talent advantage vs everyone in the big 12 sans Texas.
Arkansas who is behind the 8 ball as far as talent compared to the rest of the SEC west would be one of the most talented Big 12 teams. They would also have one of the biggest stadiums and biggest athletic budgets.
NFL players by conference.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:47 am to Oklahomey
Yea you are an idiot.
Tell me more about how fantastic Oklahoma is.
Do you want to start a Fayetteville Fap thread? Because this is how you start a Fayetteville Fap thread.
Tell me more about how fantastic Oklahoma is.
Do you want to start a Fayetteville Fap thread? Because this is how you start a Fayetteville Fap thread.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:49 am to Oklahomey
Alabama is not in the same boat as OU or Nebraska. Alabama as a state produces the most NFL player per capita in the country. There is 100 D1 players in Alabama on a given year. Its a top 10 overall state as far as talent.
Alabama is dead in the center of the SEC recruits well from every single state in the SEC foot print. It also boarders Florida and Georgia which are probably 2 of the top 4 states for talent.
Alabama is dead in the center of the SEC recruits well from every single state in the SEC foot print. It also boarders Florida and Georgia which are probably 2 of the top 4 states for talent.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:10 am to BhamDore
The big 12 from 2000-2009 was every bit as strong as the sec is since 2009. the fact still remains that OU has played Texas and Nebraska yearly for decades and both of those teams are historically more of a challenge than any sec team besides Bama.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:33 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Eastern and south/southeastern Oklahoma are a lot like that. Anyone can make a photo look better.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:59 pm to Clark14
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Bret isn't taking shortcuts at the risk of the program and the community.Plus the academic rate is higher. I'm willing to have patience and see if his plan works in the long run. We saw what a Petrino type hire gets us...a couple good years and an empty cupboard..
Reminds me of Sylvester Croom days
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:15 pm to Chazzy McRamzee
have you seen how stupid some of arkansas' uniforms are? just because you have "wal-mart" money doesn't mean your gear should look like it came from wal-mart.
also, OU is undoubtedly in the top 3 college football programs of all time.
also, the big 12 is easy and OU wins it most years. win the big 12, even if you lose two OOC games, and you're playing in a legit bowl.
also, OU is undoubtedly in the top 3 college football programs of all time.
also, the big 12 is easy and OU wins it most years. win the big 12, even if you lose two OOC games, and you're playing in a legit bowl.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to theOG
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have you seen how stupid some of arkansas' uniforms are? just because you have "wal-mart" money doesn't mean your gear should look like it came from wal-mart.
also, OU is undoubtedly in the top 3 college football programs of all time.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:18 pm to MsState of mind
Yeah, though croom didn't win a lot of games, he should be appreciated for the mess he dealt with when he hired on.
And what I meant by our academic rate being higher,l meant our players are doing much better academically than before Bret arrived.
And what I meant by our academic rate being higher,l meant our players are doing much better academically than before Bret arrived.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:47 pm to Oklahomey
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Fayetteville is a crap hole.
Must be why US News & World Report named it the 3rd best college town in America
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have you seen how stupid some of arkansas' uniforms are? just because you have "wal-mart" money doesn't mean your gear should look like it came from wal-mart.
I don't really notice that much difference
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:48 pm to Oklahomey
Seriously? I'm an OU fan and I have lived in both places. People are wrong to bag on Norman. It isn't like OKC at all. Very nice little college town. Beautiful campus, lots to do in town, OKC 30 minutes up the road. If you think Norman is a shite hole it is likely your only experience there was seeing your football team get their asses kicked.
HOWEVER, to say that Norman is nicer than NWA requires the ingestion of either large doses of meth, or a brain injury. NWA is the world HQ for Wal-Mart, JB Hunt, and Tyson. Wal-mart also requires you to have an office in NWA if you want to sell to them at any significant level. Bottom line, there are very large numbers of people living in NWA with six-figure salaries. The nightlife, the shopping, and pretty much everything else is way more abundant than anything you would ever expect to find in Arkansas. NWA also sits in mountains. Beautiful mountains with friggin' interstates to get around (thanks to Wal-mart).
Both are good places to live. In my experience, Norman is a far better college town than Fayetteville. However, NWA is a far superior place to "adult".
HOWEVER, to say that Norman is nicer than NWA requires the ingestion of either large doses of meth, or a brain injury. NWA is the world HQ for Wal-Mart, JB Hunt, and Tyson. Wal-mart also requires you to have an office in NWA if you want to sell to them at any significant level. Bottom line, there are very large numbers of people living in NWA with six-figure salaries. The nightlife, the shopping, and pretty much everything else is way more abundant than anything you would ever expect to find in Arkansas. NWA also sits in mountains. Beautiful mountains with friggin' interstates to get around (thanks to Wal-mart).
Both are good places to live. In my experience, Norman is a far better college town than Fayetteville. However, NWA is a far superior place to "adult".
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:49 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Yea you are an idiot.
That's your problem. When I look at those three pictures, and they are beautiful, all I see is three places you'll never see black people.
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