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re: Why is Nick Saban using his starters on Special Teams?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:33 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:33 am to Riseupfromtherubble
This was old when the world was young.
Remember the media talking about this when Lou Holtz did it at Notre Dame. And I'm sure it wasn't his original idea.
One thing that has always puzzled me is why more teams don't stress punt and kick blocking.
A long time ago (late 70's/early 80's), the Minnesota Vikings were notorious for blocking PAT's and FG's, a really freaky number.
They had a special formation for it of course, and I'm sure every coach knows how it works.
I have this list of things I'd try if I was a coach. One is to recruit a 6'8" or so basketball player. His job is to be a "jumper" on the kick block team, and to go on the field to run fade routes in goal line situations. If he can do more stuff, like he has good hands, or a bit of speed, then good. We'll come up with more things to try.
Have to think though, that punt blocking with some of these athletes available in SEC country should be bigger than it is. And yeah, I'd totally be on board with my super fast wr going for a block.
Remember the media talking about this when Lou Holtz did it at Notre Dame. And I'm sure it wasn't his original idea.
One thing that has always puzzled me is why more teams don't stress punt and kick blocking.
A long time ago (late 70's/early 80's), the Minnesota Vikings were notorious for blocking PAT's and FG's, a really freaky number.
They had a special formation for it of course, and I'm sure every coach knows how it works.
I have this list of things I'd try if I was a coach. One is to recruit a 6'8" or so basketball player. His job is to be a "jumper" on the kick block team, and to go on the field to run fade routes in goal line situations. If he can do more stuff, like he has good hands, or a bit of speed, then good. We'll come up with more things to try.
Have to think though, that punt blocking with some of these athletes available in SEC country should be bigger than it is. And yeah, I'd totally be on board with my super fast wr going for a block.
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:36 am to Teague
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It amazes me how many people don't want to play "starters" on special teams because they're afraid they'll get hurt.
Special teams plays are as big, or bigger than any other plays in the game. What exactly are you saving your good players for?
I see ugly special teams play across this conference every weekend. The lack of emphasis is a bit alarming and just poor coaching, to be honest.
ETA: LSU doesn't even have a special teams coordinator for frick sake.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 8:45 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:38 am to LanierSpots
If you have followed CNS since he has been at Bama you should know not to question the way he runs his team.
When was the last time a punt or KO has been run back on Bama?
When was the last time a punt or KO has been run back on Bama?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:39 am to Herman Frisco
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When was the last time a punt or KO has been run back on Bama?
Auburn fans and gifs incoming
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:44 am to 14&Counting
That was a missed FG. completely different.
And that was not a special teams screw up. The first team O line was on the field.
And that was not a special teams screw up. The first team O line was on the field.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:46 am to LanierSpots
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For the past couple of years, you see all the starters on special teams? Typically it is a change to get some back ups some reps as well as freshmen. With all the talent he has sitting on the bench, why is he stressing his starters on special teams
Because they do things like block punts to change the course of games. We are in the Top 5 in field position because we have a good punter and we cover 75% of kicks behind the 25 yard line (on purpose when we could just kick it through the endzone).
Also, it's only 2-3 guys and generally they are there for a specific reason (see Harris as a speed block rusher). Most of them are 2nd string linebackers and safeties. Our best Special Team guys on kickoffs this year have been Dylan Moses and Daniel Wright, true freshmen. Last year it was Mack Wilson and Keith Holcombe. Before that it was Reuben. In 2008 it was Mark Barron as a true freshman.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 8:48 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:47 am to LanierSpots
He's bored. Didn't you ever drop down and win the Natty with New Mexico or Mississippi on Xbox?
Regular play gets boring after a while
Regular play gets boring after a while
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 8:48 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:51 am to Vecchio Cane
Nice troll.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:13 am to LanierSpots
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LanierSpots
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:18 am to LanierSpots
It's 1/3 of the game! There's really no need for Saban to explain why he puts better, more experienced players, on the field of play.
If something was 1/3 of your chance of success, I would think most would do it. If finding right doctor for surgery was 1/3 of the reasons why you'd survive operation, you'd find right doctor. If hiring right bodyguard, increased your chances of surviving attack by 1/3, most would hire best bodyguards they could. If 1/3 of our financial success relied on finding best accountant, we'd put the best we had available on it. If 1/3 of your chances of dying, 1/3 chances of you children being born healthy, etc. you'd most likely give it the importance, attention, and respect it deserves also!
Carry on Saban...
If something was 1/3 of your chance of success, I would think most would do it. If finding right doctor for surgery was 1/3 of the reasons why you'd survive operation, you'd find right doctor. If hiring right bodyguard, increased your chances of surviving attack by 1/3, most would hire best bodyguards they could. If 1/3 of our financial success relied on finding best accountant, we'd put the best we had available on it. If 1/3 of your chances of dying, 1/3 chances of you children being born healthy, etc. you'd most likely give it the importance, attention, and respect it deserves also!
Carry on Saban...
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:23 am to LanierSpots
He always has and it's paid huge dividends. Special teams have won games for Alabama including a national championship.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:41 am to LanierSpots
Even though he didn't do well in the league, Saban does bring an NFL mindset to the college game. Put your best players on the field all the time. I know in the NFL you have a much smaller pool to pull from, but still, it works.
If you really look at it, you can ask why coaches do a lot of things they do on special teams. One of the discussions in our section Saturday was why does Auburn use Stephen Roberts on punt returns? He has good hands, but he has just been on the field playing defense. Wouldn't you want a more rested player back there, not someone who has just played a handful of snaps?
If you really look at it, you can ask why coaches do a lot of things they do on special teams. One of the discussions in our section Saturday was why does Auburn use Stephen Roberts on punt returns? He has good hands, but he has just been on the field playing defense. Wouldn't you want a more rested player back there, not someone who has just played a handful of snaps?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:43 am to JamesDeanForMascot
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I guess it's good he had some talented people playing on special teams in his most recent national title in which special teams were the difference--an onside kick that dwarfs the kick 6 in terms of historical importance given that it won a NATTY and a kickoff return for a touchdown late in the game.
It still stings doesn't it?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:57 am to Herman Frisco
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That was a missed FG. completely different.
And that was not a special teams screw up. The first team O line was on the field.
Boy was that a deflection. Since when did field goals get scratched from special teams play?
I thought that putting starters in on special teams to win championships was the argument here?
You're such a retard.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:58 am to autodd03
The main reason is because when u get to the NFL if you're not starting or playing at a certain position, you would be playing on special teams, which is important in the NFL
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:59 am to LanierSpots
Maybe becaause he's the head coach?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:00 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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a guy can get hurt celebrating a touchdown
Georgia found that out against Clemson a few years ago...
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:16 am to Sunbeam
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I have this list of things I'd try if I was a coach. One is to recruit a 6'8" or so basketball player. His job is to be a "jumper" on the kick block team, and to go on the field to run fade routes in g
The legend of Lonnell Dewalt III - 6'6", 38" vertical, huge hands - played basketball and football for Warren East high school in Bowling Green Kentucky. Considered third best wide receiver in the country, second best basketball player in the state after Chris Lofton. Went to UK on A football scholarship.
Freshman year - blocked 7 kicks - won a special-teams player of the year award. Also caught 11 passes, one T D
Didn't keep up his grades though. Transferred to a community college in Mississippi, then to Northern Alabama, then dropped out of school and started playing arena ball. Very likely on a path to the NFL if he could've kept his head on straight about school.
Yeah, sounds like a good strategy to me
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:18 am to LanierSpots
Ever since the kick 6 he's had a maniacal obsession with special teams?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:37 am to LanierSpots
Well he went through a stage where his special teams were terrible. I think he got tired of it and decided to put his best players in there.
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