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re: Why does everyone think Dabo would leave Clemson for Alabama?
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:26 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:26 am to pvilleguru
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Saban could have won anywhere, but he wouldn't be winning this much if he wasn't at a place with the facilities and money that a place like Alabama has.
yes but other schools have good facilities and money too. Clemson has great facilities. how could Dabo recruit players like Watson, Spiller, Sammy Watkins, etc if not.
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Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:27 am to Tillman
What does that have to do with anything?
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:27 am to Tillman
You never heard of NCAA sanctions? Also hiring dubose over frank Beamer? Woof.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:30 am to AU66
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Jay Barker who is friends with Dabo has the same opinion, that hes very happy at Clemson
It'll depend on if he thinks he can win a NC there. Of course, without Saban's presence he'd already have one.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:30 am to pvilleguru
it has to do with proving my point that winning titles prior to 1980s was a lot different than today.
i think most ppl wud be surprised to learn that Clemson, which has been a consistent bowl team in the modern era, was so small back then.
obviously a school that small not going to be that viable in football.
i think most ppl wud be surprised to learn that Clemson, which has been a consistent bowl team in the modern era, was so small back then.
obviously a school that small not going to be that viable in football.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:32 am to SmackoverHawg
i think 14-1 and winning 14 in a row last year is as good a national title. Clemson would have been title winner in the pre-BCS era. most title winners only had 12 wins max.
people act like Saban didn't lose one last year, at home. both teams were 14-1, and Clemson had the better loss and in my view played a tougher schedule.
people act like Saban didn't lose one last year, at home. both teams were 14-1, and Clemson had the better loss and in my view played a tougher schedule.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:36 am to Tillman
So, anything that happened before Clemson was good doesn't count? 
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:37 am to Tillman
Nothing is as good as winning the title.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:38 am to pvilleguru
lol there is no point in talking to you. my point is colelge football in the modern era is a lot more competitive , more school are competitive in it, so the talent level is more diluted. that makes it harder to win.
and teams generally can't just run the ball every time and win 10-3 type games like they did back then. these pass happy teams will score some points.
and teams generally can't just run the ball every time and win 10-3 type games like they did back then. these pass happy teams will score some points.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 11:40 am
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:44 am to pvilleguru
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Nothing is as good as winning the title.
ok but i can live with 14-1.
and, last year's lost to alabama will make a title this year even more sweet for Clemson. it will like Spurs coming back to beat Miami the next year in the title game after they choked the first year. i think most people thought Clemson was the better team last year despite the loss.
in my opinion it will be good for college fball for somebody other than Saban, Meyer, or FSU to win a title.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:49 am to Tillman
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ok but i can live with 14-1
People get murdered in Alabama if this happens.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:49 am to Chazzy McRamzee
What Bama wants... Bama Takes.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:50 am to CajunTiger_225
bama was 14-1 last year. lol
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:50 am to Tillman
quote:I'd say it's easier to be a run heavy team now than it was back then. Defenses are built to defend the spread. If you have a good, physical OL and a good RB, you will wreck these defenses. That's how we won our first 3 titles under Saban. These defenses are too small to last a full game against a heavy running offense.
and teams generally can't just run the ball every time and win 10-3 type games like they did back then. these pass happy teams will score some points.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:52 am to pvilleguru
yes but those teams score points though, so they dont' need a good defense to still pull out some wins. that's my point. the pass happy offenses gives those teams a chance, kind of like the 3 point shot gives small teams a chance in basketball.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:54 am to Tillman
And people lost their life over it.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:54 am to CajunTiger_225
lol probably.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 11:56 am to pvilleguru
Saban has said in past he wants hurry up offenses to be banned. lol so he understands wut i'm talking about.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 1:04 pm to Tillman
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no, my point is Alabama won a lot of titles in an era when things were different, there were less programs that were competitive. i agree Alabama is one of the better places to coach if goal is to win titles but in my opinion a good coach can be succesful at any large university in the south if he is a good recruiter and coach.
Saban won a title at LSU, then he coached in NFL. he was able to use both to market Alabama to recruits, and then when he won his first title at Bama, he could then use that and the recruiting got even better. it is about the coach, not the school itself in my view.
You're just never going to get it. Alabama has won titles in almost every era. It's about more than being a helluva recruiter and coach. You have to start with an organization that is committed at every area to being the best. How many of those schools in the South will spend $500,000 for a S&C coach? $125,000 each for zero gravity tread mills? Hire former head coaches just to sit in the booth and study film and help game plan? Alabama continues to be at the forefront.
Why did Alabama hire Dubose? Why did the New York Yankees hire Bucky Dent and Stump Merrill? Even the greatest sports franchises make bad hires, and just being one of the greatest franchises ever doesn't mean you don't have down periods. To merely say that a great coach like Saban could be successful at just any great Southern university is incredibly shortsighted and naive. If that's the case, why didn't Spurrier even win an SEC championship at South Carolina? Before you can hire a Nick Saban, you have to have the money, the resources, and the will to pay him what he wants, give him the budget to hire who he wants, and to spend whatever necessary to provide the very best in facilities and equipment. Then you have to be willing to give him complete control and stay out of his way. Not every school...even the top tier in the SEC...is willing to do that. You have to have a culture that demands and expects the highest in terms of production, just as the Yankees always have.
Name me one SEC school...just one...since Saban was hired at Alabama that had an opening, targeted the absolutely best coach there was, and then put on an all out blitz to go hire the guy. Saban wasn't on the job market. So what? Alabama went and got him anyway. No other SEC team as an organization has the ability to do that. Tennessee could have gone after Saban after 2005. Everyone knew Fulmer was past his prime. Would George Steinbrenner have stuck with Fulmer after 2005? Hell no. Look at what has happened in recent years at LSU and Auburn and those coaching searches. Both fired national championship winning coaches. Would anyone even attempt to argue that they targeted the very best coaches and then threw everything at them to entice them to come?
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/1/17 at 1:13 pm to Chazzy McRamzee
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He has a chance to be the Bear Bryant at Clemson. There's no reason to be another coach at Alabama when they already have great ones. Plus it's a lot more stressful due to the fanbase.
The same could be said for Saban if he stayed at LSU. A HC that strives to be the best looks for programs that will give them all the resources needed and have a tradition of winning. CU with Dabo is at their peak. This will be as good as it gets and when Watson leaves CU will once again only be competing for ACC champs on a regular basis. CU has always recruited well but until Watson and CFB playoffs came around CU was not a contender over the last 30+ years.
It really depends on what Dabo wants his legacy to be. Take all the homer out of it which may be hard for a CU fan but Cu will never be a traditional powerhouse program nor will it ever sustain as one.
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