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re: Why do people believe Saban would have built a dynasty if he had stayed at LSU?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:04 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:04 am to Bench McElroy
Probably because the team was stacked from 2005-2007. Les Miles won 10+ games and a NC in those years, I think most people feel Saban could have too. Then imagine 2011 without Saban at Alabama.
I don't think we would be some unstoppable machine like Bama currently is, but at the same time i think he would have won at least 1 more probably 2 national championships by now.
The LSu Saban took over was trash and he won a 2 SEC Championships and a NC in his first 4 years here. The guy who took over the team went 35-6 in the next 3 years. So unless you think Miles did something Saban couldn't have done, i think we were about to get rolling.
I don't think we would be some unstoppable machine like Bama currently is, but at the same time i think he would have won at least 1 more probably 2 national championships by now.
The LSu Saban took over was trash and he won a 2 SEC Championships and a NC in his first 4 years here. The guy who took over the team went 35-6 in the next 3 years. So unless you think Miles did something Saban couldn't have done, i think we were about to get rolling.
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:07 am to tiderider
He had success at LSU because of Alabama's probation and subsequent bad coaching hires.
No other program is able to have sustained dominance in the West without Alabama being down.
Alabama won the West more than half of the time in the 90s. Then the probation and bad coaching hires happened. When Bama finally came off probation there has been little margin for error for all other teams in the West.
The Alabama program has elevated Saban into the discussion of Greatest of All-time.
LSU is a good program with some resources, but Alabama is at an unattainable level by any other program.
No other program is able to have sustained dominance in the West without Alabama being down.
Alabama won the West more than half of the time in the 90s. Then the probation and bad coaching hires happened. When Bama finally came off probation there has been little margin for error for all other teams in the West.
The Alabama program has elevated Saban into the discussion of Greatest of All-time.
LSU is a good program with some resources, but Alabama is at an unattainable level by any other program.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:09 am to Bench McElroy
Another one of your threads you start and then run and hide. What a Nancy
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:09 am to BhamDore
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He had success at LSU because of Alabama's probation and subsequent bad coaching hires.
What's your point? If he's at LSU he's not at Alabama, and Alabama got turned down by Rich Rodriguez before Saban became available. There's no telling who they would have had to resort to if Saban didn't fall into their laps. For all we know they could have hired another unimpressive coach like Franchione/Price/Dubose/Shula.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:10 am to BhamDore
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LSU is a good program with some resources, but Alabama is at an unattainable level by any other program.
"We're just Bama because WE'RE BAMA, PAWWWWLLLL"
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:15 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:16 am to Pinche Cabron
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LSU has a strong hold on a rich recruiting pool. I think he could have won multiple championships there had he stayed
That pretty well says it all.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:18 am to bamasgot13
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Please explain 2000-2007
bad coaching and talent
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:23 am to Nissanmaxima
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You do realize he was only at LSU for 5 years right?
Yes, I do. And in his 5 years at LSU he won 2 SEC and 1 National title. He had a record of 48-16 and two seasons of 10+ wins.
In his first 5 years at Bama he won 1 SEC and 2 national titles. he had a record of 55-12 and 4 seasons of 10+ wins.
His overall tenure at Bama is certainly better than it was at LSU and it's been twice as long, so it isn't "fair" to look at entire tenure. however, even his first 5 years at Bama were better than his 5 year tenure at LSU.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:24 am to Topwater Trout
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bad coaching and talent
But if the SEC and the refs were in Bama's pocket, then shouldn't they have been able to overcome bad coaching and talent?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:24 am to RollDawgRoll
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Alabama made Saban great.
Please wrap up when entering cousin
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:25 am to Bench McElroy
I think it's bc Saban laid the foundation for LSU Football into what it is today. If he had stayed he would have had the same success @ LSU as he is having @ BAMA
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:34 am to Bench McElroy
time.
he was rebuilding and needed time
he won his 1st NC in 2003 and 2004 was a down year...but he was still building.
look at his 1st NC at BAMA, and then the next year.
But he stayed and kept building at BAMA.
Thats what we were thinking could happen had he stayed.
he was rebuilding and needed time
he won his 1st NC in 2003 and 2004 was a down year...but he was still building.
look at his 1st NC at BAMA, and then the next year.
But he stayed and kept building at BAMA.
Thats what we were thinking could happen had he stayed.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:39 am to bamasgot13
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Yes, I do. And in his 5 years at LSU he won 2 SEC and 1 National title. He had a record of 48-16 and two seasons of 10+ wins.
In his first 5 years at Bama he won 1 SEC and 2 national titles. he had a record of 55-12 and 4 seasons of 10+ wins.
His overall tenure at Bama is certainly better than it was at LSU and it's been twice as long, so it isn't "fair" to look at entire tenure. however, even his first 5 years at Bama were better than his 5 year tenure at LSU.
I know you don't want to admit this, but the rebuilding project he inherited at LSU was much bigger than the one at Alabama. Additionally, Saban learned and got better with more experience, just like most people do in their jobs. He was a better coach in 2007 than he was in 2000 when he took over the LSU program. He was a better coach when he left LSU than when he got there as well.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:45 am to lsufball19
He would have had a dynasty at LSU just not on the same level as he has at bama due to the money, resources, and support he current has at UA.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:46 am to Bench McElroy
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These numbers tell me one of two things. Either it's much easier for a coach to win big at Bama or Saban became a much better and improved coach after his two year stint in the NFL. However you look at it, Saban showed no signs of building this incredible uber-dominant program if he had stayed at LSU.
If 2 years in the NFL is what made Saban "better and improved", why did he come back to go 7-6 in 2007 while LSU was a combined 34-6 in the 3 seasons after he left with a dummy of a head coach at the helm?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:50 am to Bench McElroy
Kinda tough to originally claim that Miles is having success with Sabans recruits.. acknowledge that Saban is a better coach than Miles.. look at Miles success from 2005-2011..
And then think that Saban couldn't have done better.
Dumb thread.
And then think that Saban couldn't have done better.
Dumb thread.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:00 am to Bench McElroy
The writings of LSU fans.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:04 am to aujerm
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money, resources
LSU has equal or more revenue depending on the year, and LSU's geography is legitimately better for recruiting. BAMA has a national brand because they are the current dynasty so they pull nationally at this time, however.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:05 am to bmy
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Kinda tough to originally claim that Miles is having success with Sabans recruits.. acknowledge that Saban is a better coach than Miles.. look at Miles success from 2005-2011..
And then think that Saban couldn't have done better.
Dumb thread.
They're just spinning their wheels, per the usual. They think they made Saban what he is, not that they were mutually beneficial to each other. Same with Saban and LSU. The coach and program need each other to build something great. People forget that LSU made Saban the highest paid coach in the country. Bertman started providing Saban with the money necessary to compete nationally. LSU didn't just dig out of the hole they were in 100% because Saban is a good coach. Same with Alabama. Alabama isn't Alabama because of some sort of predestination. They are Alabama because they've hired the best coach in the country and provided him with unlimited resources to succeed.
LSU, in the year 2016 provides any coach the resources to succeed. You put the right coach with those resources, and it will produce championships. Championships are not won because of reputations. Times have changed. Alabama has the resources and the coach. Saban is that good.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 10:07 am
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