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re: Why can't the SEC produce great QBs every year?

Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:30 am to
Posted by gamemc
Member since Jan 2013
913 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:30 am to
Chad Kelly has to be up there. Maybe one year isn't enough to prove he's one of the best. Also, it's tough to ignore 12 INTs but it really looks worse than it is. Not making excuses but if you've watched the games, you'd know what I mean.

Stats this year:

YDS TD INT %
3970 37 9 65.9 - Boykin (TCU)
2726 25 7 69.7 - Watson (Clemson)
2769 25 1 66.7 - Prescott (State)
3509 34 6 72.7 - Doughty (WKU)
2675 21 7 66.0 - M. Williams (UNC)
2597 22 5 64.9 - B. Allen (Arky)
3206 21 2 69.1 - Lynch (Memphis)
2475 21 3 58.1 - Cook (Michigan State)
3037 33 4 70.2 - Mayfield (Oklahoma)

3496 30 12 65.7 - Swag (OM)
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:31 am to
Yea, Kelly has all the tools. Most impressive QB I've seen this year in person by far.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28117 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:45 am to
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I like Dak as a QB though, especially a college QB and think he should be in there


Man, how could I forget Dak? I would put him in Top 3.

You can add Paxton Lynch, Brandon Doughty, and Matt Johnson to your list as well.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28117 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:47 am to
Lynch is touted by many as the #1 QB taken now.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23118 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:49 am to
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If I was ranking Top 10 QB's based on purely performance (not NFL future) I'd go (in no real order) Boykin (TCU) Watson (Clemson) Prescott (State) Doughty (WKU) M. Williams (UNC) B. Allen (Arky) Lynch (Memphis) Cook (Michigan State) Mayfield (Oklahoma) Barrett(OSU)


Yea as I said I didn't really go through and spend time thinking it through. I just gave some names of guys I think are good, and could be really good if they had the guys at the skill positions Bama/LSU do

Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:32 am to
It's because in every other conference, the offense is centered around the QB and offenses are built around that position. In the SEC, most of your offenses are centered around RBs and built around the RB position. Doesn't matter how many recruiting stars your QB recruits have. The offenses are built around the RB position, so the QBs aren't the emphasis in your offense and they achieve predictable results accordingly.

Has nothing to do with "playing defense around here". I don't know where that narrative even comes from. At any given time in peak SEC years, there are only 2-3 teams in that league that have good defenses. Everybody else is very average to below average.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:36 am to
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The offenses are built around the RB position, so the QBs aren't the emphasis in your offense and they achieve predictable results accordingly.


I don't think that is really true anymore. The only teams that still implement a run first philosophy are Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia and Arkansas. Florida is pro-style, but McElwain is not a ground and pound guy. Mullen adapts to his personel. A&M is air raid. Kentucky runs the spread. Tennessee runs a hybrid spread. Ole Miss is certainly not built around running backs.

As for the defenses, the SEC have better DL/LB talent every year than every other league. Whether the team defenses are better or not depends on the year, but the interior play in the SEC on defense is just light years better than other places.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 10:37 am
Posted by Pacito
Member since Jan 2013
1222 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:47 am to
If you are a quarterback in a pass happy, not much defense conference you will have many put up good numbers. There are 6 NFL starters from the SEC, and currently 3 top notch QB's in the SEC. Dak, Kelly, and Allen.
Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:00 am to
I agree with you that it's not so much true anymore over there as it was 5-7 years ago due to new coaches implementing spread offenses but among the top teams in that league it most certainly is.

A&M, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy, Florida, State, Mizzou, South Carolina, Auburn (running QB) and Tennessee (dual threat QB) offenses are built around the QB. It's no surprise that these are the teams that have the most productive college QBs in that league.

Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Arkansas all design their offenses around the RB position. It's no surprise that these teams produce the most productive college RBs in that league. A lion's share of the DL/LB talent produced in that league is produced by Alabama, LSU, and Florida when they have their act together, not the entire league.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:00 am to
Yep, agree with all of that.
Posted by Tuskkman
Hoover Alabama
Member since Jun 2015
1626 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:05 am to
How is RG3 and Petty doing ? Peyton starts for Denver, Stafford for Detroit. Mallet, JFF and Mek fot Tennessee Titans have all started this year so thats 5 SEC QBs in a top 2 depth chart. A.J. is the back u at Cinccy.

Running up the scores on bad defenses don't mean you are a great QB.
Posted by SECFan413
Cookeville,TN
Member since Jan 2009
966 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:26 am to
Qbing is very cyclical as well. The years where there seems to be "great" Qbs are years where there is multiple guys who have started for several years. Mett, Murray, and AJ all had started multiple years. Dak and Brandon Allen have as well. This year, you have a lot of first year starters - unfortunately for some of those teams, they'll be in same position next year, i.e. Bama and UGA.

Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19066 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:11 pm to
The Allen kid at aTm is pretty good. He's just at the wrong school for his skill set.
Posted by sullivanct19a
Florida
Member since Oct 2015
5239 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:20 pm to
Since 2007 the SEC has 3 Heisman winners at QB.
Posted by jdevers
Member since Nov 2008
2059 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:30 pm to
You forgot about Eli and Cam.
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19066 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

Since 2007 the SEC has 3 Heisman winners at QB.

And with the possible exception of Newton none could play the position.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29451 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

Auburn (running QB)

Know how I know you don't watch SEC football?

Also, Brandon Allen is one of the top 2 or 3 QBS in the SEC despite the "run-first" narrative.
Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Know how I know you don't watch SEC football?


No. Tell me! Tell me!

quote:

Also, Brandon Allen is one of the top 2 or 3 QBS in the SEC despite the "run-first" narrative.


He's had some moments for sure. All I said was your offense is built around the RB position, which it is, just like it was at Wisconsin.
Posted by PorkRoast
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2015
6047 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

If Dak Prescott can maintain his accuracy in the NFL he could be another Ben Roethlisberger.


Hope so. Lofty prediction, but I like it.
Posted by HeHateMe23
Member since Nov 2015
141 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

How is RG3 and Petty doing ? Peyton starts for Denver, Stafford for Detroit. Mallet, JFF and Mek fot Tennessee Titans have all started this year so thats 5 SEC QBs in a top 2 depth chart. A.J. is the back u at Cinccy


RG3 was an injury waiting to happen but he did quite well his rookie year. Not the same QB post-injury. Petty was a project.

Peyton, okay. Stafford has been largely underwhelming. Mallet has been awful. JFF only started because of injury to the starter and was bad. Mett only started because of injury to Mariota and was about average. Eli has 2 super bowl rings. Matt Flynn has bounced around the league. etc. etc. SEC QBs as a while are not quite the shining light you paint them to be.
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