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re: Who will have a better season. Kelvin Taylor or Leonard Fournette?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:30 pm to JasoNdaTiger
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:30 pm to JasoNdaTiger
Leonard Fournette, duh
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:31 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Fournette is twice the talent as Taylor and will have a better offensive line. Believe it or not though I think Florida will have more of a passing game than lsu, so fournette is going to be keyed on more than Taylor. Gun to my head, I'd say fournette has the better season.
It'll depend on how early our WRs get on board. A good WR can make a young or bad QB look great and a good QB can make a young or mediocre WR look better than he is.
I think Dural is going to be great for us. Leslie is a senior 6'4 burner who played two years in JUCO. Dupre has it all to play right away and so does Quinn, and I'm not just being a homer on those two. Then you add in Desean Smith, our big athletic TE with great hands, and Fournette who caught over 1000 yards and 9 TDs his last two years. We have the talent, immense amount of talent, just hope the passing is in order.
I really want them to focus on the passing game against the early cupcakes smashed between Wiscy, MSU, and Auburn. We don't need anything fancy, just competent. If we can throw for around 200 yards in 25 pass attempts and north of 60% cmp, it'll go a long way in keeping us balanced.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:39 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I don't think Dural and Dupre are putting much fear into defenses at this point in time. Dupre may end up being great but he's still just a freshmen that is coming from a run heavy offense in high school. If you're expecting him to abuse SEC corners from the jump then you're gonna have a bad time.
The dude has already been out to Cali with Harris and going against college DBs, catching passes with the likes of Connor Cook, Bryce Petty, et all, and learning technique. There was talk all the time out there about how ridiculous be was catching concecutive passes one handed, with DBs all over him. He has been practicing with Keenan Lewis (NFL corner), for a while now. People seriously don't get it.
Rashard Robinson last year, was in Florida practing with Peterson and locking down NFL WRs. He came late to the season (days before the first game), got his first start against Mike Evans, and held him to 3 catches for 13 yards. Guy was a pencil then.
The ones willing to put in the extra hard work, will benefit immediately.
ETA: who says Jennings/Harris had to be great? Dupre is 6'3 with a 42.5 vertical and a sub 4.6 40 with hands of glue. Chuck up the deuce, and he'll come down with it. Did you not watch the Under Armour game?
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:49 pm to JasoNdaTiger
The answer is Taylor. LSU has lost too much talent to compete year-in and year-out. Fournette won't have the line or QB to allow him to succeed.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:55 pm to TexasAg13
We greatly appreciate your interest/obsession in our football team. You need to be worrying about your atrocious defense & how you will win 10 games since you couldn't with your GOAT 
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:56 pm to Alonzo
Thanks for the link
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:07 pm to JasoNdaTiger
Buga,not close at all
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:08 pm to JasoNdaTiger
i think lsu is going to very let dwon when LF is only just a good college RB
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:09 pm to TexasAg13
quote:Uh oh,someone just showed all their dumb cards
Fournette won't have the line
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:13 pm to slayerxing
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just don't get it. How many touches is Fournette really going to get? He's got two guys in front of him.
Hill had 5 guys in front front of him as a true freshman. He also hadn't played, or practiced football in over a year's time. He had all of 13 carries in the first 6 games. After we lost against UF, because the other backs couldn't produce, Miles finally started Hill against USCe. Behind an OL that had just lost two players for the season the previous week, and replaced them with a true freshman, and redshirt freshman. In his first game behind a makeshift line going against Clowney and that loaded front seven, he ran for 124 yards and 2 TDs on 17 carries. His passing game was no help at all, as Mett was 12/25 148 yards and 1 int. In those last 7 games, he carried the rock 128 times (18.2 carries a game), for 684 yards (5.34 ypc) and 10 TDs.
THAT is why I am so freaking confident for Fournette. He has better hands, is stronger, faster, and more shifty than Hill, and he also has not had a one year hiatus from the gridiron. He has a seasoned OL loaded with 3, 4, and 5 year players. He has two dual threat QBs, and trying to decide which will take the ball, will always give us an advantage. Add in ridiculous athleticism at both WR spots and at TE, and you have the recipe for a monster season.
IDGAF what anybody says (LSU fan, SEC fan, or other), Fournette has everything he needs to dominate day one. If he doesn't go for at least 900 (I project 1050-1150), then it means he either got injured, or Magee turned into Tre Mason.
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So, I expect that Taylor will have 100 more carries than Fournette, and unless UF's offense sucks again horribly, he'll have the better season.
YPC my friend, YPC. I expect Fournette to average around 12-13 carries a game. At 6.5 ypc that's 1014-1098 yards. Something like this.
Fournette 13 carries
Magee 11 carries
Hilliard 8 carries
QB 7 carries
Rest 4-5 carries
I still think Taylor will have a big year, and produce more yardage than Fournette.
You can bookmark my post for future reference, because I'll definitely be bookmarking this thread.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:14 pm to Datbayoubengal
And so again, the ridiculous expectations are set.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:17 pm to NawlinsTigah270
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My seating area in Houston may get a bit messy if he gets 10+ against Wisconsin
People act like we are saying the impossible. Didn't Yeldon go for 100 against Michigan in his first college game? Didn't Collins do the same? Fournette is going against a team that is replacing their entire front 7 which means they have no depth behind those new starters.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:36 pm to TexasAg13
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And so again, the ridiculous expectations are set.
6.5 ypc isn't absurd for a backup.. Fournette will get more carries than most backups.. but I think between 5-6 ypc is a reasonable expectation.
2013 Magee is the backup: 626 yd, 7.28 ypc, 8 TD
2011 Blue had 539 yards, 6.91 ypc, 7 TD
2010 Ford had 5.96 ypc, Ware 7.29 ypc
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:38 pm to bmy
His analysis is assuming averages the most carries a game. That's not a backup.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:40 pm to narddogg81
There is a reason your program practically sold it's soul to land LF and every one of you butt hurt Gumps know it,he is the real deal.Get the frick over it dude.Posted on 7/3/14 at 3:46 pm to TexasAg13
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I feel bad for Leonard Fournette. He could rush for 700 yards and 10 touchdowns as a true freshman in the SEC and that would be a huge letdown compared to the expectations Tiger fans are setting.
depends on his carries. if is is 150 range then we will just be bitching about miles not giving him the rock enough.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 8:01 pm to xenythx
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Honestly, even as a Gator fan, I've thought Taylor was a tad overrated based on who his daddy is.
Don't get me wrong, he was one of the only bright spots on our offense last year and he was running behind a shite line. I think he can and will be very good and productive for us, but I just don't see the explosiveness that separates the merely good RBs from the great ones.
I agree with this, but will say his short area quickness and vision are elite-- in the right offense he could be a Mark Ingram/Emmitt Smith type a guy who wont break the long one but will get 5 yards or so a carry and hit a lot of 15 to 20 yard runs.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 8:05 pm to slayerxing
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I just don't get it. How many touches is Fournette really going to get? He's got two guys in front of him.
Taylor will be the starter, and if he's really the starter, he'll probably have close to 200 carries. Mike Gilislee had 244 carries as the starter in 2012.
Kelvin Taylor averaged almost 20 carries a game once he became the starter. 20x12 = 240.
So, I expect that Taylor will have 100 more carries than Fournette, and unless UF's offense sucks again horribly, he'll have the better season.
I don't think we're going to run the kind of offense where a running back gets 20 carries a game any more, it'll be more like the Meyer offenses with balanced carries between multiple backs and the QB.
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