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re: Which SEC school brings the least to the conference?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:48 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:48 pm to Henry Jones Jr
That the ms schools offer more than people think 
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Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:48 pm to tween the hedges
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So what do you recommend? They drive up admissions standards and then have an almost empty class size?
That's exactly what I recommend.
The average incoming ACT at Ole Miss is a 24, but pretty much anybody with an 18 can get in (again, due to state policy and not Ole Miss' standards). If they could bump that minimum ACT to something like a 20 or 21, they would be able to weed out a lot of the frickups who have no business in higher ed anyway, and you wouldn't have "an almost empty class size" at all.
It also bears mentioning that ~50% of Ole Miss incoming freshmen graduate in four years. So many people fail out or take too long to get degrees because they, frankly, should be at a community college or vocational school.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:50 pm to RBWilliams8
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That the ms schools offer more than people think
yep
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:52 pm to DCRebel
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It also bears mentioning that ~50% of Ole Miss incoming freshmen graduate in four years.
Clearly Ole Miss' fault and a sign that we are providing the worst education for students.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:57 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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If you look at the actual academics process, it's on par with LSU and Arkansas IMO
So you think Ole Miss is as good of a school as LSU? Not saying you're wrong, I just find it interesting.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Where would you rank Ole Miss academically? I say 13th at best, but I could be wrong.
I think the whole idea of academic rankings is dumb.
Trust me, outside of Texas, most people don't put more weight on a TAMU degree than an Ole Miss degree. Most people don't think "oh, Texas A&M! Oooh la la!" They think "a public school in Texas."
Yes, TAMU has money and great opportunities for its students and blablabla. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that, nationally speaking, most people don't put a whole lot of particular weight on seeing an SEC school on a resume outside of Vanderbilt. To a lot of people, all public schools in the South and Midwest are the same.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:59 pm to Henry Jones Jr
First Colonel Reb, then my hot beer, now all of this schoolin' hoopla. Half a brain and a Barbour jacket are the traditional admission reqs. and I would appreciate it if y'all would quit ruining all that Oxford stands for.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:00 pm to DCRebel
quote:im not trying to get into this discussion, but this is stupid. The wall street journal just ranked us as the #2 school in the country that recruiters hire from
most people don't put more weight on a TAMU degree than an Ole Miss degree.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:02 pm to DCRebel
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ost people don't put more weight on a TAMU degree than an Ole Miss degree.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:03 pm to WestCoastAg
I'm not saying an a&m degree is worth more, I have no idea either way, but an a&m degree is very well respected nationally
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:03 pm to tween the hedges
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So what do you recommend? They drive up admissions standards and then have an almost empty class size?
You don't have a fricking clue what you are talking about.
The people that survive the first year at MSU and OM have a high graduation rate and are competitive in their areas of expertise with anyone in the country.
Forced low admission standards doesn't mean forced easy curriculums. What we have is low admission standards followed by very high early dropout rates for kids not fit to be there in the first place. Double whammy -- ranked lowly in these "reports" that don't consider how this circular logic screws the MS schools. Nor do they accurately or adequately convey the actual quality of education available at MSU and OM.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:04 pm to LSU Patrick
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UGA is a better all around school than LSU
What is Georgia good at other than football and swimming?
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and it is in a much more relevant state
I am very curious as to what you are basing this on.
UGA, which I hate, is a good academic school, with top gymnastics, good golf I think, good football, decent baseball, good swimming...Also, it's probably in the top college town in all of the SEC.
I don't want to bash Louisiana too much because I like it and it has a lot of cool stuff GA doesn't, but GA is just a better overall state in a lot of ways. Bigger, better incomes, better places to live, more "stuff," much more business, etc. If you're a professional, the opportunities are just far better than in LA.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:04 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So you think Ole Miss is as good of a school as LSU?
Yes.
Admissions wise, we are a joke. But that doesn't mean Ole Miss is a bad school.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:05 pm to engie
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You don't have a fricking clue what you are talking about.
The people that survive the first year at MSU and OM have an high graduation rate and are competitive in their areas of expertise with anyone in the country.
Forced low admission standards doesn't mean forced easy curriculums. What we have is low admission standards followed by very high early dropout rates for kids not fit to be there in the first place. Double whammy -- ranked lowly in these "reports" that don't consider how this circular logic screws the MS schools. Nor do they accurately or adequately convey the actual quality of education available at MSU and OM.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:08 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So you think Ole Miss is as good of a school as LSU? Not saying you're wrong, I just find it interesting.
The quality of education at most state schools is mostly the same. The difference is in the competition to get into those schools and the location of the schools relative to certain industries.
In grad school the greatest difference wasn't b/w a lowly ranked state school kid and a highly ranked state school kid, it was b/w a private school kid and a state school kid. There is so much more expected of you at a small, private school, no matter the rank of that school. That's not to say these kids were intrinsically smarter or even won all the accolades in grad school, just that in the first semester or two they had a very noticeable edge. They were better prepared for the rigors of studying for an advanced degree.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:12 pm to WheelRoute
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In grad school the greatest difference wasn't b/w a lowly ranked state school kid and a highly ranked state school kid, it was b/w a private school kid and a state school kid. There is so much more expected of you at a small, private school, no matter the rank of that school. That's not to say these kids were intrinsically smarter or even won all the accolades in grad school, just that in the first semester or two they had a very noticeable edge. They were better prepared for the rigors of studying for an advanced degree.
Greatly, greatly depends on the small private school. The south, and the rest of the country, are littered with liberal arts colleges that have little rigor and are far inferior to good public schools.
Actually, I'd say the large majority of those schools are inferior to good state schools.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:12 pm to engie
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Nor do they accurately or adequately convey the actual quality of education available at MSU and OM.
This is something that I've always found funny. As if some schools have monopolies on certain areas of knowledge or expertise.
You wanna know why Harvard Law School is the best law school in America? It's not because they have some magical understanding of legal philosophy or courtroom procedure, or have exclusive access to certain tomes of infallible knowledge.
It's because they've been around for a long time, have access to a worldwide network of employers, and have a brand that their students are able to capitalize upon. Furthermore, it's not as if the students they accept would be completely clueless without their Harvard educations - they were all really goddamn smart to begin with.
That's why saying "so-and-so has better academics" than somebody else is a bit misleading, because it's not like it's something that can be at all proven or explained. Now, if you're going into a educational field whose courses would benefit from a lot of money (such as mechanical engineering or robotics) then I could see the argument being made, because having access to equipment is important. But, outside of that, most universities have very similar educational qualities, all of which is contingent upon the students making the most of it, and not necessarily the university conferring knowledge.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:12 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Anyone with a pulse gets into Ole Miss and MSU.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:16 pm to WestCoastAg
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I'm not saying an a&m degree is worth more, I have no idea either way, but an a&m degree is very well respected nationally
No, a Harvard degree is "very well respected" nationally. A Yale degree is. A Stanford degree is. A Berkeley degree is.
In certain fields, an A&M degree should have some significant value. Outside of that, an A&M degree is no more "respected" than any other large state school.
Maybe you have a different perspective living out west, but I've lived up and down the East coast and outside of the South for a while, and my perspective is that a) where you went as an undergrad really doesn't matter anyway and that b) most state schools outside of places like UVA and Berkeley are all viewed as pretty much on par with each other by employers.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:17 pm to DCRebel
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No, a Harvard degree is "very well respected" nationally. A Yale degree is. A Stanford degree is. A Berkeley degree is.
In certain fields, an A&M degree should have some significant value. Outside of that, an A&M degree is no more "respected" than any other large state school.
Wrong. Sorry.
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