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re: Which head coach will Ole Miss pay more in 2018? Houston Nutt or Hugh Freeze?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:28 am to REBSontheRISE
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:28 am to REBSontheRISE
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well, before laremy tunsil lost his mind on draft night and started talking off the top of his head like a deer caught in the headlights, everything Ole Miss is accused of saying WAS TRUE. the academic fraud/ACT test issues were the most serious allegations AT THAT TIME...
Doesn't matter if it was true. They still can't run to the media saying it. It's disparaging, thus breaching contract.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:31 am to REBSontheRISE
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Ole Miss didn't name Houston Nutt either. The 'narrative' was that the 'most serious allegations were perpetuated by MEMBERS of the PREVIOUS COACHING STAFF'...and then promptly fired Barney Farrar.
In court, this will happen.
Nutt atty: did you say it was previous staff?
OM witness: yes
Nutt atty: was previous staff led by Nutt?
OM: Yes
Nutt atty: so you meant Nutt?
OM: (reluctantly) Yes
Nutt atty: no further questions
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:33 am to TOFTR
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Which head coach will Ole Miss pay more in 2018? Houston Nutt or Hugh Freeze? by TOFTR
Presumably Ole Miss would've already gotten access to those phone records while building its case. If there was a smoking gun capable of taking out Freeze AND crippling the football program, Ole Miss likely already knows. Why would Ole Miss blindly ignore the smoking gun and let the whole house burn? If there's something that directly ties Freeze to boosters and bagmen, it doesn't make sense for the school not to have already moved on. They would've fired Freeze and started trying to save their arse instead of continuing to poke the beehive, and they would've avoided a lot of this mess which was obviously going to happen as long as Freeze is still coach. If the phone records put him dead to rights, Ole Miss wouldn't be stupid enough to fight this hard to keep him, and Ole Miss does plenty of stupid things
None of this ever occurred to anyone from OM. I guarantee it.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:59 am to cave canem
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however what is an innocuous phone number to OM can become a ticking bomb if it gets tied back to the wrong owner, and I highly doubt OM contacted every number in the call log to find out who it was.
Lemme get this straight, Nutt's lawyer has the time to look into every number, Steve Robertson has time to look into every number, but Ole Miss, the party with the most to lose, wouldn't look into every number to find a smoking gun that could've saved them all this trouble? If there's something explicit there, Freeze likely would've been fired for cause long before it ever got to this level of shitshow, and Ole Miss would be worrying more about why its former coaches keep suing instead of this decade-long punishment as a sub-.500 program some of y'all are spinning
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:05 am to TOFTR
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TOFTR
You're 100% correct.
But has OM handled any aspect of this debacle in a positive manner?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:17 am to Vecchio Cane
Depends on which narrative you're pushing. Ole Miss has handled some stuff well, and they've completely botched some other stuff. They've done some dumb things, but not checking the phone records of the most scrutinized college coach in America probably isn't one of them, considering how necessary it'd be for them to mitigate liability if there's something obvious in the records. There will be penalties for the NCAA stuff regardless, but it's not like they're going to turn Vaught-Hemingway into a (much needed student) parking lot, nor are they going to banish Freeze to the moon. It won't be great, but it probably won't be worse than what the NCAA levied against Brewer in '94, and it hopefully won't be worse than having to live through the 2011 season, watching a coach who more or less retired while on active duty
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:28 am to TOFTR
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Depends on which narrative you're pushing
Honestly, I fully believe that OM is facing harsh punishment because of how they've handled this 5 year investigation and not for actual infractions or improprieties.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:44 am to Vecchio Cane
And that would be one narrative. Another is that the NCAA spent five years and didn't have much to hang a hat on until Tunsil decided to kick over the bedpan on his way out. I'm somewhere in the middle, but I don't think the program will be sent back to the Stone Age. It sucks, but it's not like I as a fan have any meaningful control over it, and I've already lived through the worst era of Ole Miss football in the modern era, which isn't the successful part of Ole Miss' history. And I'm not sure how the penalty matrix handles vindictive (or vindicated, depending on your camp) sentencing
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:41 pm to TOFTR
lemme get this straight... do you know what data mining is? I'm no expert but i'm fairly certain once the records are received they can set parameters and look for certain things. They aren't looking at dotmatrix printed files. Even if the files did come via dot matrix it would just take a scanner and some adaptive software to compile the details in a digital format. This isn't some investigative work being done by a 3rd grader that learned their craft by watching Carmen Sandiego.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:02 pm to yatesdog38
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I'm no expert
Again with this shite?
Yates=Alter --> You cant fool me
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:36 pm to yatesdog38
Dot matrix as in an old printer or old digital display? Are you saying the records are much more than a printout of contacted numbers? Was that a point at issue? What's the relevance of an outdated method of printing?
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This isn't some investigative work being done by a 3rd grader that learned their craft by watching Carmen Sandiego
So are you or are you not implying that Ole Miss is this third grader while Nutt's attorney is a savant? Ole Miss would presumably have gotten the phone records from Hugh while building its case. There's no reason to think they wouldn't have looked into every number contained in what they received as part of its own due diligence. Data mining would be matching the numbers of calls and texts with dates and names; it's gathering information, not hacking Freeze's phone to get transcripts of his text history. That's why Nutt has to prove the alleged contents of the off-the-record conversations Freeze had with the media.
If there had been a smoking gun connecting Freeze to improper booster conduct, Freeze would already be gone. If Freeze somehow manipulated, hid, or otherwise substantially misrepresented aspects of whatever he handed his employer - the same employer that's building a case to justify him keeping his employment - he's also fired, among many other issues. I don't know why opposing council would know so much more about these phone records than the institution that presumably has had the records for much longer and has already staked millions trying to protect this guy
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:55 pm to TOFTR
i'm not real sure... third graders are usually better at hiding their misdeeds. i could be wrong though. i don't remember much from 3rd grade, but i was a model student.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:55 pm to TOFTR
It's not that they didn't have the information. It's the level of intelligence of one side compared to the other. There's one side in this entire deal that has shown obvious ineptness at every turn.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 3:31 pm to SouthOfHere
I guess Houston Nutt's a poster child for competency now that it fits the narrative
Posted on 7/20/17 at 4:51 pm to TOFTR
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I guess Houston Nutt's a poster child for competency now that it fits the narrative
Amazing at how quickly opinions can change.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:11 pm to TOFTR
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Which head coach will Ole Miss pay more in 2018? Houston Nutt or Hugh Freeze? by TOFTR
I guess Houston Nutt's a poster child for competency now that it fits the narrative
Umm no. That's what you seem to be missing. It's not how bad Nutt is. It's how bad OM is.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:29 pm to Killean
At least the answer to the question in the OP has now been answered.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:37 pm to TOFTR
Nothing will come of this, you called it
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:39 pm to DaleDenton
Unlike the escorts Hugh Freeze hired.. I did not see this coming.
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