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Which head coach will Ole Miss pay more in 2018? Houston Nutt or Hugh Freeze?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:08 pm
I personally think it'll be Houston Nutt. They'll settle out of court for breaking the terms of their non-disparagement clause.
Freeze meanwhile will likely have a show cause issued and will end up as an unofficial assistant coach at Liberty University.
Freeze meanwhile will likely have a show cause issued and will end up as an unofficial assistant coach at Liberty University.
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:15 pm to Killean
i don't think Houston Nutt's attorneys seek settlement. I think they want all evidence public. They are out for blood
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:22 pm to Killean
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:25 pm to yatesdog38
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i don't think Houston Nutt's attorneys seek settlement. I think they want all evidence public. They are out for blood
Or...you personally want that. Whatever fits your narrative, homeboy.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:30 pm to yatesdog38
Nutt only wants the money.
His ego and pride are hurt and for that there is a dollar amount to be paid if he can also cause long term harm to OM it's just a bonus.
When he was fired from Arkansas he took a reduced buyout in exchange to be able to have a presser and publicly "resign".
Crazier than a sack full of rabid weasels.
His ego and pride are hurt and for that there is a dollar amount to be paid if he can also cause long term harm to OM it's just a bonus.
When he was fired from Arkansas he took a reduced buyout in exchange to be able to have a presser and publicly "resign".
Crazier than a sack full of rabid weasels.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:35 pm to DaleDenton
I mean, if an SEC school openly dragged your name through the mud you'd be out for their heads too. 
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:00 pm to DingDongEddieStrong
I do personally want it. Timing of the lawsuit is a bit conspicuous... That is why i think he is out for blood. I guess maybe he could want to get his money before your Athletic department goes broke... that is a good argument for seeking a settlement.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:17 pm to Devil_doge
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I mean, if an SEC school openly dragged your name through the mud you'd be out for their heads too.
I get it. but by the same token, if a coach quit working on the recruiting trail in year 2 of 4, and quit working period after year 3...and if that coach lost 15 of his last 16 conference games, and was paid 6 million dollars to leave after having already stolen 16 million in 4 years, then you would be out for blood too...after rereading what I just typed, i'd kinda like to catch this mawfukka out in a restaurant or tavern. just for conversation, of course.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:20 pm to REBSontheRISE
Bottom line is that it does hurt nuts future employment in coaching. There's really no debating that. He will win and ole miss will settle.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:23 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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Bottom line is that it does hurt nuts future employment in coaching. There's really no debating that.
no no...4-8, 2-10, losing 15 of 16 conference games in 2 years...THESE are the things hurting his current and future employment in coaching.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:24 pm to REBSontheRISE
Two entirely different things Don't act as if poor job performance makes it acceptable to falsely access blame publicly.
The mostly under the previous staff narrative before the first NOA was available wasn't created out of thin air by journalist, someone fed them this narrative.
OM best hope is to prove their lies aren't keeping him from getting a job, his previous job performance is, but good luck convincing hat when even John L Smith has been able to land HC jobs after his year at Arkansas and Nutt was sure to mention these DII/DIII schools haven't been picking up the phone to call him since he was blamed for OM's mess.
The mostly under the previous staff narrative before the first NOA was available wasn't created out of thin air by journalist, someone fed them this narrative.
OM best hope is to prove their lies aren't keeping him from getting a job, his previous job performance is, but good luck convincing hat when even John L Smith has been able to land HC jobs after his year at Arkansas and Nutt was sure to mention these DII/DIII schools haven't been picking up the phone to call him since he was blamed for OM's mess.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:31 pm to DaleDenton
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OM best hope is to prove their lies aren't keeping him from getting a job, his previous job performance is,
Proving this does not help them in any way, the issue is the non-disparagement clause both parties agreed to. Even if Nutt was working as a Head coach this fact does not change
OM violated the terms of the contract, there is little doubt of that at this point, the rest of it is just fluff for fans to argue about.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:34 pm to cave canem
If they try to get the case thrown out due to the time from the date of the lies being told they will need to prove they have no effect on today's job prospects for Nutt which they obviously have.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:37 pm to DaleDenton
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OM best hope is to prove their lies aren't keeping him from getting a job, his previous job performance is
well, before laremy tunsil lost his mind on draft night and started talking off the top of his head like a deer caught in the headlights, everything Ole Miss is accused of saying WAS TRUE. the academic fraud/ACT test issues were the most serious allegations AT THAT TIME...
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:40 pm to REBSontheRISE
Nutt wasn't named in any of that by the NCAA; the narrative put out ahead of time was that he was behind it all.
Calipari had the same issue while at Memphis but that hasn't kept him from working as it was not his doing just like Nutt.
Calipari had the same issue while at Memphis but that hasn't kept him from working as it was not his doing just like Nutt.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:43 pm to REBSontheRISE
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everything Ole Miss is accused of saying WAS TRUE. the academic fraud/ACT test issues were the most serious allegations AT THAT TIME...
While true it does not matter one bit, OM agreed to not say it in a contract.
OM best option is to settle, they have zero leg to stand on.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:46 pm to DaleDenton
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Nutt wasn't named in any of that by the NCAA; the narrative put out ahead of time was that he was behind it all.
Ole Miss didn't name Houston Nutt either. The 'narrative' was that the 'most serious allegations were perpetuated by MEMBERS of the PREVIOUS COACHING STAFF'...and then promptly fired Barney Farrar.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:50 pm to DaleDenton
The big issue that should horrify OM is that with Freeze's phone records being outed from this is a tieback to boosters or bagmen who got outed during the NCaa investigation, or even just recruits during the dead period.
Nutt has apparently hired some folks to mine more data from the phone records.
Nothing good for OM can come from this, just as in the RR suit.
Nutt has apparently hired some folks to mine more data from the phone records.
Nothing good for OM can come from this, just as in the RR suit.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 1:40 am to cave canem
Presumably Ole Miss would've already gotten access to those phone records while building its case. If there was a smoking gun capable of taking out Freeze AND crippling the football program, Ole Miss likely already knows. Why would Ole Miss blindly ignore the smoking gun and let the whole house burn? If there's something that directly ties Freeze to boosters and bagmen, it doesn't make sense for the school not to have already moved on. They would've fired Freeze and started trying to save their arse instead of continuing to poke the beehive, and they would've avoided a lot of this mess which was obviously going to happen as long as Freeze is still coach. If the phone records put him dead to rights, Ole Miss wouldn't be stupid enough to fight this hard to keep him, and Ole Miss does plenty of stupid things
Posted on 7/20/17 at 3:04 am to TOFTR
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Presumably Ole Miss would've already gotten access to those phone records while building its case. If there was a smoking gun capable of taking out Freeze AND crippling the football program, Ole Miss likely already knows. Why would Ole Miss blindly ignore the smoking gun and let the whole house burn? If there's something that directly ties Freeze to boosters and bagmen, it doesn't make sense for the school not to have already moved on. They would've fired Freeze and started trying to save their arse instead of continuing to poke the beehive, and they would've avoided a lot of this mess which was obviously going to happen as long as Freeze is still coach. If the phone records put him dead to rights, Ole Miss wouldn't be stupid enough to fight this hard to keep him, and Ole Miss does plenty of stupid things
You could be right, however what is an innocuous phone number to OM can become a ticking bomb if it gets tied back to the wrong owner, and I highly doubt OM contacted every number in the call log to find out who it was.
Likely Nutt's sharks are going to put far more effort into this than an OM staffer would have and Nutt likely can provide info on what numbers to look for.
This is the danger for OM in this deal, Nutt is going to get paid something, the cost to OM could be far higher than monetary loss alone in this.
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