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re: Which CFB program is greater historically: Arkansas or West Virginia?
Posted on 2/26/12 at 5:29 pm to Pork Chop Express
Posted on 2/26/12 at 5:29 pm to Pork Chop Express
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Except we were undefeated and you lost to a team we beat.
Irrelevant. See my post above. There was a system in place, and Ark didn't win according to it. Does it suck? Yes. But it happens in college football. The media screwing of Bama in 1966 (which they do not claim) is much worse than the screwing of Ark in '64.
Must be the offseason- can't believe I'm involved in the endless NC debate.
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 6:23 pm to thatthang
I'm not saying Bama shouldn't claim '64 either. They won with the top 2 polls. But you would never make the argument that Arkansas was clearly the only team that had the national championship season. It was pretty clear who the 2 best teams last season were as well. The bowl systems works 100 times better than it did 50 yrs ago. I mean the bowls hardly ever matched 1 v 2 in those days.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 6:41 pm to ShreveportHog94
Alabama won the National Championship because they gave them out before the bowls in 1964. They then lost their bowl game and Arkansas was the only unbeaten team, but no AP/UPI title.
Then they changed it in 1965. Arkansas was unbeaten and Alabama, with a loss, was ranked #4 or 5 before the bowls. The Hogs & everyone ahead of Bama lost on New Years, and Alabama won the title again because of the rule change.
Imagine the meltdown if that happened in today's internet era.
I don't have a problem with schools claiming marginal titles. All that stuff is for the fans anyway.
Then they changed it in 1965. Arkansas was unbeaten and Alabama, with a loss, was ranked #4 or 5 before the bowls. The Hogs & everyone ahead of Bama lost on New Years, and Alabama won the title again because of the rule change.
Imagine the meltdown if that happened in today's internet era.
I don't have a problem with schools claiming marginal titles. All that stuff is for the fans anyway.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 6:46 pm to Master of Sinanju
Who's to say that bama wouldn't have played harder if a championship was on the line back in the day? Think of how abysmal the NC game would have been this year had LSU already been crowned national champions. Your arguements hold no water, I agree it sucks. But you have to roll with the times. The only awards that mattered back in the day were awarded to Bama and therefore they are the '64 champions
Posted on 2/26/12 at 6:49 pm to ShreveportHog94
Who cares what Bama fans think? We'really going to rightfully claim the '64 title no matter what some random Bama fan on the internet says. No sense in arguing over it.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 6:52 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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Think of how abysmal the NC game would have been this year had LSU already been crowned national champions
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 6:59 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
aTm>Arky>WVU>Mizzou
Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:24 pm to Monticello
Now you're just tryin to piss hog fans off
Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:38 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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Arkasas's NC is about as legitimate as LSU's NC this year
Bowl Results for 1964 suggest otherwise. Arkansas ended up 11-0. Bama lost to Texas (a team that Bear Bryant could never beat while at Bama) in the Orange Bowl and ended up at 10-1. Texas' only loss was to Arkansas. Any modern day formula would have given Ark the NC, with Texas #2 and Bama probably # 3.
The Arkansas claim as 1964 National Champions is more legit than Bama's by a mile.
ORANGE BOWL #3 Texas Longhorns 21 #1 Alabama Crimson Tide 17
COTTON BOWL #2 Arkansas Razorbacks 10 #6 Nebraska Cornhuskers 7
ROSE BOWL #5 Michigan Wolverines 34 #8 Oregon State Beavers 7
SUGAR BOWL #7 LSU Tigers 10 Syracuse Orangemen 7
Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:41 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
I'm going to say Arkansas.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:41 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
The 'Eers. Plus they party harder.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:43 pm to CatFan81
If Arkansas can't claim '64 then there are a lot of teams that have titles they shouldn't be claiming. IMO LSU should claim 1908, 1935 and 1936.
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:45 pm to Big12fan
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The Arkansas claim as 1964 National Champions is more legit than Bama's by a mile.
Except for, you know, the trophies.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:56 pm to Master of Sinanju
I don't really give a shite what Bama thinks and they really shouldn't give a shite about what we think. Bama claims one. We claim one.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:57 pm to Master of Sinanju
Well...we did get a trophy
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 7:58 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Both programs were among the best teams in weaker conferences.
This sentence makes me acknowledge your ignorance and disregard your argument.
West Virginia has spent the majority of their history as an independent. They were in the Southern Conference from 1950-1967 and joined the Big East in 1991 in response to expansion triggered by Arkansas' move to the SEC. The SoCon is now a D-1AA conference, WV was left out when the ACC formed. We've always been part of a major power conference. The SWC was a major player and we were a dominant force and nationally relevant for 30+ years before the bottom fell out and we took our growing pains lumps moving to the SEC even with Danny Ford and Hootie there's only been a handful of seasons that we weren't a factor in the West.
Arkansas as a football program has traditionally overachieved and been the underdog which we gladly accept as a badge of honor.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 8:06 pm to sugatowng
Arkansas only got a certificate that year.
Actually, that post was not directed at Arkansas. I don't have a problem with Arkansas claiming a title - but but Alabama's shouldn't be dismissed either. Rules of the day and all that.
Actually, that post was not directed at Arkansas. I don't have a problem with Arkansas claiming a title - but but Alabama's shouldn't be dismissed either. Rules of the day and all that.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 8:23 pm to ShreveportHog94
Funny that you mention 1977. Alabama lost its opener by a touchdown at top 10 ranked Nebraska. Alabama went on to win out and finish behind number 1 Notre Dame. Notre Dame was ranked 5th going into their bowl and beat top ranked Texas and jumped 3rd ranked Alabama who blew out Ohio State 35-6. Number 2 also lost and Notre Dame lost earlier that year to the same Ole Miss team that Alabama easily handled a couple of weeks earlier. 1977 was almost a larger screw job than 1966 was.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 8:24 pm to Master of Sinanju
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Any modern day formula would have given Ark the NC
Haha, well there's your problem right there, random UT person. 1964 isn't 2012.
Anyway, much like Sinanju, I don't really have a problem with Ark claiming this, but those of you who are trying to undo Bama's claim, which was pretty unanimous at the time, just sound like morons.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 8:27 pm to Master of Sinanju
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Master of Sinanju
No, Arkansas received a trophy as well.
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