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re: What will classify Coker as a bust in the eyes of the SECr?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:34 pm to ChexMix
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:34 pm to ChexMix
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Dont change the subject. We are talking about Coker, not Greg
You were referring to Coker as a pedestrian qb, and Bama needing more than a pedestrian qb. Greg McElroy won a BCSNCG as a pedestrian quarterback, so that invalidates your argument.
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No. He is not as accurate a passer as either of the two Qbs mentioned
How do you know this? Some spring game footage and garbage time? Seems a little early to say such a definitive statement.
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How many games have all Qbs on Alabama's roster started, combined
How many starts do most first year starting quarterbacks have? Some might be fortunate enough to fill in a game if the starter was suspended/injured, but most quarterbacks go from being backups to being starters.
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:37 pm to chattabama
If Coker is just average Alabama will contend, but if he turns out to be very good anyone on the Alabama schedule has got big trouble.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:39 pm to chattabama
Loss to Arkansas, a Landmass school, or a Big Ten/Big 12 school makes him a bust. See McCarron, A.J.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:40 pm to chattabama
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You were referring to Coker as a pedestrian qb, and Bama needing more than a pedestrian qb
I seem to remember LSU fans being just as arrogant about Jarrett Lee and we all know how that turned out
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:40 pm to chattabama
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:42 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Loss to Arkansas, a Landmass school, or a Big Ten/Big 12 school makes him a bust. See McCarron, A.J
.00000000000001/10. AJ won two BCSNCG. Nowhere near a college bust.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:42 pm to chattabama
quote:By stating your opinion and believing your conclusions based on hypothetical comparisons? Your delusion is laughable. Alabama will not win a championship this year. Not going to happen, no matter how much you want to believe
so that invalidates your argument.
quote:this is the only playing time Coker has had as a collegiate athlete. Yes, i am judging him on his performance, not on personal hype and delusion
How do you know this? Some spring game footage and garbage time?
quote:Answer the question and stop dodging
How many starts do most first year starting quarterbacks have? Some might be fortunate enough to fill in a game if the starter was suspended/injured, but most quarterbacks go from being backups to being starters
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:45 pm to LSUNV
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I seem to remember LSU fans being just as arrogant about Jarrett Lee and we all know how that turned ou
I suppose that is a fair argument currently, as Coker could be Winston or he could be Jarrett Lee. Nobody knows.
I'm talking specific numbers, and few have given me an answer. If Coker matches GMc's qb production, will he be labeled a bust? At what point does he get rid of that label?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:46 pm to ChexMix
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Yes, i am judging him on his performance, not on personal hype and delusion
So 36 whole passes with the 2nd unit?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:47 pm to chattabama
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AJ won two BCSNCG
In games decided by one score or less with McCarron as starting QB, Alabama went 2-3.
The only game he clearly won was the 2012 LSU game. In contrast, he clearly LOST the 2014 Oklahoma game.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:48 pm to RTR America
quote:Does the 2nd unit mean they cant catch passes or what? Im trying to understand what you are insinuating.
So 36 whole passes with the 2nd unit?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:48 pm to chattabama
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as Coker could be Winston or he could be Jarrett Lee
Or he could be Jameill Showers (A&M to UTEP) or Matt Joeckel (A&M to TCU)
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:51 pm to chattabama
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So, Rant, what is the threshold for calling Coker a bust? Under 15 TD? More than 5-6 INT? Under 60% completion percentage? Win-loss record?
3 losses, bust.
2 losses, dissapointed but excited for '15
1 loss, met expectations
0 loss, exceeded expectations
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:52 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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In contrast, he clearly LOST the 2014 Oklahoma game.
False. Fumbles and nonchalant defensive play lost the Sugar Bowl.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:53 pm to chattabama
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I'm talking specific numbers, and few have given me an answer. If Coker matches GMc's qb production
Most people will say this is a bust, but speaking from experience with Saban, Matt Mauck, Matt Flynn, all he needs to be is a game manager to be successful. Same goes for LSU, if we can just get a QB that manages the game and move the chains we will be successful as well.
Unless you have been there it is hard to picture
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:53 pm to ChexMix
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By stating your opinion and believing your conclusions based on hypothetical comparisons?
I was proving that Bama doesn't need stellar qb play to win a championship. IMO this year lives and dies by the oline, not Coker's production. If the o-line gels and Coker can be a functional game manager, Bama may win it all. If the o-line doesn't gel then it will be a long year for Bama fans.
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this is the only playing time Coker has had as a collegiate athlete. Yes, i am judging him on his performance, not on personal hype and delusion
Fair enough. Not many quarterbacks look like world-beaters behind the second string oline throwing to benchwarmers, but I can see where you are coming from.
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Answer the question and stop dodging
The answer you are looking for is zero. The same amount of starts AJ had before he led his team to the BCSNCG in 2011, and the same amount of starts Jameis had before he went on to win the BCSNCG last year. I'm not understanding your point. It is possible to have a good/great team with a first year starter behind center.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:53 pm to ChexMix
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Does the 2nd unit mean they cant catch passes or what? Im trying to understand what you are insinuating.
Compared to Alabama's first unit? Yeah I have a feeling there is a bit of a difference.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:55 pm to Spread
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False. Fumbles and nonchalant defensive play lost the Sugar Bowl
McCarron committed 3 turnovers that led directly to 21 Oklahoma points.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:59 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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McCarron committed 3 turnovers that led directly to 21 Oklahoma points.
Yep. And Yeldon also had a terrible fumble that led to another touchdown. People shite on Alabama's defense for that loss, but I saw an offense completely give the game away. Anyway, back to bashing McCarron or Coker or what ever you people were doing.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:00 pm to LSUNV
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Most people will say this is a bust, but speaking from experience with Saban, Matt Mauck, Matt Flynn, all he needs to be is a game manager to be successful. Same goes for LSU, if we can just get a QB that manages the game and move the chains we will be successful as well.
Unless you have been there it is hard to picture
I agree with this. I'll take it a step further and say that I don't think Bama will ever have a quarterback who throws for more than 3300 yards in the regular season. It's not what Saban asks a qb to do. The main job for a Bama qb is don't screw up.
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