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re: "What was Joe Alleva thinking when he offered this contract?"- footballscoop.com
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yes Alleva is a clown, we all know that
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:29 pm to bamasgot13
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Bama did a similarly stupid contract for Shula after his 10 win season in 2005.
Not the same and I'll admit that for the time the Shula buy out was a head scratcher if only for the money aspect back then. Remember, Shula basically came in and rescued the program after some pretty bad shite. You had big time sanctions coming down and a coach who was cavorting around with employees from a Destin " Gentleman's" Club on the Bama credit card. The fact that he was able to grab a 10 win season in 2005 was pretty stout.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:35 pm to Commander Data
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Damn bro....
I think there will be more to come out about he Miles firing in the next year or so after everything has started to drift away. I had heard rumors about Alleva and FKing getting pretty animated with him after the Wisconsin loss and Miles blowing them off
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Exhibit Z as to why Joe Alleva/F. King Alexander should be fired.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:47 pm to MetryTyger
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With regard to the coaching search, Herman was always going to Texas, Fisher was never serious. I don't think Alleva had a lot of time to do a national search.
WTF are you talking about? Are you related to Alleva? He fired Miles two months early. If two months isn't enough time to do a national search and come up with a handful of reasonable candidates (if Herman and Fisher weren't attainable) then how much time do you need?
Posted on 3/16/17 at 4:06 pm to MetryTyger
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I don't think Alleva had a lot of time to do a national search.
Miles was fired at the end of September.....he had time. He just chose to narrow his choices. He went into the search with Fisher as his #1 pick...Herman #2 and if they didn't take the job he was fine with #3 Orgeron. If this was not his plan he would have started the coaching search before the season even got started (Since the handwriting was on the wall) or at worse in late September after Miles was fired. Alleva was ok with having Orgeron as his pick.
All of that said, hopefully it works out fine for LSU and Orgeron does well there.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 4:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Orgeron isn't getting fired in the next two seasons so I'm not sure what the point of this article is
Posted on 3/16/17 at 5:17 pm to RB10
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Joe Alleva is a douche and has a dick nose.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 6:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Who gives a shite about his contract as long as he wins...
Posted on 3/16/17 at 6:29 pm to Godawgs4
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Firing Miles during the season was beyond stupid.
I think it actually scared off potential coaches.
LSU is a great job but the over the top expectations serve as a pause to potential coaches. Especially now when other schools are well compensating their coaches.
You fire a guy midseason.
Daddy Foley fired Ron Zook mid-season and hired Urban, Alleva was attempting to copy him.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 6:31 pm to Lord Orgeron
I wanna play a high stakes poker game with Joe Alleva.
The salary is fair to both parties. Incentive laden contract, same. But that buyout is monumentally stupid. Alleva's job on that item is to protect LSU's interests as ferociously as possible, especially with a man across the table who had no other offers and a 10-25 record at his only other head coaching stop. Sure the chances of firing him in year 1-2 is remote. So you can maybe overlook that part. But if he goes 3-9 his first two seasons, you don't think there won't be pressure to pull the plug in year 3? But now if you have to do that, it's gonna hurt and Alleva will be fired as well without a doubt. That buyout should have started low, maybe 7 million in year one and declining by 1.5 million a year. If you prove yourself, it never comes into play until time to renegotiate. Unbelievable.
I am anxiously awaiting the basketball hire. Pass the popcorn. This oughta be good.
The salary is fair to both parties. Incentive laden contract, same. But that buyout is monumentally stupid. Alleva's job on that item is to protect LSU's interests as ferociously as possible, especially with a man across the table who had no other offers and a 10-25 record at his only other head coaching stop. Sure the chances of firing him in year 1-2 is remote. So you can maybe overlook that part. But if he goes 3-9 his first two seasons, you don't think there won't be pressure to pull the plug in year 3? But now if you have to do that, it's gonna hurt and Alleva will be fired as well without a doubt. That buyout should have started low, maybe 7 million in year one and declining by 1.5 million a year. If you prove yourself, it never comes into play until time to renegotiate. Unbelievable.
I am anxiously awaiting the basketball hire. Pass the popcorn. This oughta be good.
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:05 pm to phil4bama
We are hedging our bets by paying him a smaller yearly amount...that 2m a year in salary we saved makes the buyout numbers more palatable...and we may never pay the buyout. I don't think this contract is a problem at all.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
What was he thinking hiring a 55 year old career dline position coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program?
It's the most unqualified hire in big 6 history.
It's the most unqualified hire in big 6 history.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:24 pm to Godawgs4
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but the over the top expectations serve as a pause to potential coache
Exactly. Les miles had one of the most successful tenures in SEC HISTORY,let alone lsu history, and we have fans saying he underachieved.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:27 pm to LSUgrad88
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agree a lot of what happened at the end of 2015 was not Alleva's fault
I blame Alleva for the leaks and the refusal to comment on the situation ,until the end of the regular season, which led to rampant speculation. That speculation turned the situation into a clown show.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:31 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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For comparison, Mark Stoops made $3.5 million in base pay last season - the same amount Orgeron is scheduled to make next season.
Stoops has a far far better resume than Ed Orgeron. Ed orgeron has been a position coach for 29 of his 32 years in coaching.
Stoops has been a DC at multiple p5 programs.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:32 pm to RollTide1987
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LSU fans have an overinflated opinion of their program.
We are easily top 13-15 program of all time.
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The Saban era was the exception
The Miles-hater era was more successful.
We had more top 5 finishes under miles than saban had top 25 finishes at lsu.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:35 pm to RollTide1987
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Made possible by Saban recruits. With the exception of 2010 and 2011, the Tigers regressed under Miles virtually every single year.
Holy shite.
Miles inherited a program with 1 top 5 finish in almost 2 decades.
he inherited a program where the previous coach had stopped recruiting. So much so that we only signed 13 recruits that year.
Saban's tenure at lsu= 16 losses 12 conf losses in a much easier sec
Last 5 years under miles= 15 losses 12 conf losses in a much tougher sec
But hey dont let facts get in the way of you posting.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:39 pm to AshLSU
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Miles 5 million for the same results.
You have got to be kidding.
We paid miles 5 million a year because....
1. He has the best win % in sec history.
2. He has the 7th best win % in sec history.
3. He has the best ooc win %in sec history(100 games coached)
4.during his tenure no program beat more ranked teams than lsu.
5. During his tenure no program was ranked in the top 25 more weeks.
6. He has the same amount of top 5 finishes as Saban, Mac , and Dietzel combined.
He accomplished those great numbers during the most dominant era of sec football ever.
Thats why Miles was paid 5 million.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:43 pm to CajunTiger_225
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A million more compared to Derek Mason at Vandy
No shite because Derek Mason has a better resume than ed orgeron.
In 2016 alone Derek Mason and Vandy won as many sec games as Orgeron has in his entire career.
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Thats practically average among power 5 programs no
Most p5 programs dont hire career position coaches.
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