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"What was Joe Alleva thinking when he offered this contract?"- footballscoop.com

Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:06 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:06 pm
What was Joe Alleva thinking when he offered this contract?

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As detailed by Ross Dellenger of The Advocate, Orgeron signed a 5-year contract worth $3.5 million per year that is heavy in incentives and security for the coach.

Should LSU fire Orgeron without cause after the 2017 season, the school would owe him $12 million. That number drops to $8.5 million in 2018, $6 million in ’19, $4.5 million in 2020 and $1 million in ’21.

While Herman had options, Orgeron had none. LSU competed against itself for his services. Serving as the head coach of his home state’s flagship program was Orgeron’s dream, and he weighed that option against….. being a defensive line coach again?

In Orgeron’s mind, the LSU head job against other options available to him at the time was a see-saw with field mouse on one end and an elephant on the other.

Here’s how deeply Orgeron considered the LSU job before taking it, as he described the 75-minute drive between his home in Mandeville and LSU’s Baton Rouge facility on the morning he would officially become the Tigers’ head coach: “I was going very fast, I was listening to some of my favorite music, I had the window down and I was hollering the whole way.”

This means that, on that same see-saw, LSU was the elephant at the negotiating table and Orgeron was the mouse. Joe Alleva and company had every available molecule of leverage.

And the end result was a contract where LSU assumes all of the risk in a scenario where, if the Orgeron Era doesn’t work out, the fault will lie entirely on the coach.

(To be abundantly clear, this isn’t about the hiring of Orgeron in the first place. A native son with his pulse on the heartbeat of football in Louisiana and a clear-eyed vision of where LSU needs to improve, we’ve gone on record liking this hire. This is merely deconstructing the contract LSU gave him.)


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All this to say: LSU spent a lot of time negotiating with Herman and very little doing the same with Orgeron. In fact, it appears they didn’t negotiate with Oregon at all. It looks like Alleva simply applied some white-out over Herman’s name to write Orgeron’s over it, chopped the salary down by a couple million and handed Coach O a contract to sign.




Thoughts?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63768 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:08 pm to
Alleva had no plan B. That was his real mistake.

Orgeron had more bargaining power than the writer gives him.
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
6748 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:09 pm to
This just in: Joe Alleva is not a good AD and in particular has butchered both the Les Miles firing at the end of 2015 and the coaching search at the end of 2016. Nothing new here.
Posted by Godawgs4
Member since Aug 2016
4218 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:18 pm to
Firing Miles during the season was beyond stupid.
I think it actually scared off potential coaches.
LSU is a great job but the over the top expectations serve as a pause to potential coaches. Especially now when other schools are well compensating their coaches.

You fire a guy midseason.

So at the end, you are left with what you would have already had had you waited to the end of the season.
Which was Oregeron. Which is who you got.

Contract does not really matter here.
It appears to be a diminishing pay out for LSU each year. Nothing wrong there.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43783 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:19 pm to
Joe Alleva is a douche and has a dick nose.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:21 pm to
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has a dick nose.


Posted by NorthGwinnett LSU
Georgia Southern Fan
Member since Nov 2012
1917 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:23 pm to
My thoughts are that Tom Herman used LSU to get his deal in place with Texass. I fully believe his agent leaked the deal with LSU in place to get UT to move quicker than maybe they were going to.

Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:25 pm to
Maybe it's just me but i dont really consider those buyout numbers to be that bad. I mean yeah sure if we have to buy him out after this season but that isnt likely at all.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
43995 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:29 pm to
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5-year contract worth $3.5 million per year

Nothing to get too excited over as that's tied for 11th in the league.
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Should LSU fire Orgeron without cause after the 2017 season, the school would owe him $12 million. That number drops to $8.5 million in 2018

None of that matters as Orgeron won't be fired without cause after just 2 seasons.
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Blah, blah, blah, et cetera...

None of that matters.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24534 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:30 pm to
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Thoughts?


Here's a short thread from the rant on the matter.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/lsu-sports/new-details-on-orgerons-contract/69067164/
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:32 pm to
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Here's a short thread from the rant on the matter.


Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15578 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:37 pm to
Actually the Miles situation at the end of 2015 was not all Alleva's fault. There was a small faction of LSU Board of Supervisors members that put pressure on Alleva to let Miles go.
Alleva was in a no-win situation. But to his credit, he persuaded them to scrap the firing.


With regard to the coaching search, Herman was always going to Texas, Fisher was never serious. I don't think Alleva had a lot of time to do a national search.
Orgeron has quietly assembled a potentially very sharp staff with Dave Aranda, Matt Canada, Corey Raymond, Mickey Joseph, Tommie Robinson and Austin Thomas from USC, Jenkins, Grimes, Ensminger, Moffatt, Kragthorpe, etc.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58028 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:40 pm to
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Orgeron had more bargaining power than the writer gives him.


how exactly?

it's not like other schools were beating down his door to hire him away...
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:41 pm to
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“I was going very fast, I was listening to some of my favorite music, I had the window down and I was hollering the whole way.”


Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15358 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
6748 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:44 pm to
I agree a lot of what happened at the end of 2015 was not Alleva's fault. But he's the AD, and a butchered, national embarrassment like that falls on him.

Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:46 pm to
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Should LSU fire Orgeron without cause after the 2017 season, the school would owe him $12 million. That number drops to $8.5 million in 2018, $6 million in ’19, $4.5 million in 2020 and $1 million in ’21.


Monumentally stupid contract, especially, given complete lack of competition for his HC services. It's additionally embarrassing that the president and the board would allow this to be the contract. The stupidity didn't simply begin and end with Alleva.

But hey. The rest of us aren't mad at ya LSU.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15358 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:47 pm to
Dont forget that Alleva allows Bama to blatantly pay players and allows the SEC office to tell officials to let Bama win games and rigs the schedule to Bama's favor every year and he never ever says a word to anyone about it. How does he keep his job?
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15578 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:48 pm to
And what if he lasts to 2020 or 2021 ???????
Posted by Lord Orgeron
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2017
945 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:52 pm to
If O were to fail and get fired, it wouldn't happen till after the 3rd year. He won't be fired after just 2 seasons. So if we fired him after the 3rd season? $6 million buyout. Ehh who cares? Regardless O is going to be fine as HC with this coaching staff around him
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