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re: "What was Joe Alleva thinking when he offered this contract?"- footballscoop.com
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:53 pm to StopRobot
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:53 pm to StopRobot
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Orgeron called USC his dream job
Well, duh.
If there's one group that gives the Golden Girls a run for their money, it's the USC Song Girls...
...in Lake Tahoe:
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
We can all laugh at LSU for having Orgeron as their coach. It seems like an overly risky move for a program of their stature. Maybe it will work out, but right now he's just never seemed like head coach material.
That said, this is the first I've seen the particulars of his contract. That's just absurd for him. I'm not a bleeding heart who doesn't understand that large investment in college football makes sense academically and fiscally in the South, but as a proponent of education, this unnecessarily large contract (particularly the buyout) just kind of makes me sad considering LSU's current budget woes. And that is an issue I will not laugh about.
That said, this is the first I've seen the particulars of his contract. That's just absurd for him. I'm not a bleeding heart who doesn't understand that large investment in college football makes sense academically and fiscally in the South, but as a proponent of education, this unnecessarily large contract (particularly the buyout) just kind of makes me sad considering LSU's current budget woes. And that is an issue I will not laugh about.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:58 pm to MetryTyger
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And what if he lasts to 2020 or 2021
Then your program will be right back to where it was pre-Saban.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:59 pm to MetryTyger
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And what if he lasts to 2020 or 2021 ???????
Then he would have proven himself, and his contract would have long since been renegotiated to reflect his market value. Not really sure what point you are trying to make. Your hypothetical scenario is completely irrelevant to the point that this is an absolutely ludicrous contract to sign at this point in time.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It's not that big of a deal. You don't fire a coach within 3 years unless it's for cause (generally). If he does well, then you're probably going to end up extending him anyway and this contract doesn't play out. Additionally, in this day and age, $6 million isn't an outrageous buyout number anymore.
Those first 2 numbers are never going to be an issue. The third one, maybe. The last two are chump change and non-factors.
Could Alleva negotiated better? Sure, but at the end of the day, a $6 million buyout is pretty cheap for an SEC coach.
Those first 2 numbers are never going to be an issue. The third one, maybe. The last two are chump change and non-factors.
Could Alleva negotiated better? Sure, but at the end of the day, a $6 million buyout is pretty cheap for an SEC coach.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:04 pm to thatthang
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thatthang"What was Joe Alleva thinking when he offered this contract?"- footballscoop.com by thatthangWe can all laugh at LSU for having Orgeron as their coach. It seems like an overly risky move for a program of their stature. Maybe it will work out, but right now he's just never seemed like head coach material. That said, this is the first I've seen the particulars of his contract. That's just absurd for him. I'm not a bleeding heart who doesn't understand that large investment in college football makes sense academically and fiscally in the South, but as a proponent of education, this unnecessarily large contract (particularly the buyout) just kind of makes me sad considering LSU's current budget woes. And that is an issue I will not laugh about.
Though I respect your opinion, it is pretty uneducated.
LSU does not have 'budget woes.' Neither does the state economy.
Now State GOVERNMENT? Yes, they do. But they are working on ways to balance the budget. Actually only 11% of the statewide LSU system's total budget comes from the State, and any cuts will not appreciably affect the University.
Nor will any cuts affect LSU's self-supporting Athletic Dept. It receives ZERO from the State, yet turns a hefty profit and even manages to contribute to academics on a yearly basis.
As far as Orgeron, he has assembled a top-notch staff. All 6 of his victories last year were ROUTS.
Florida was lost on the last play when Guice did not hear the formation and ran the wrong way on the 1 yard line.
Alabama was 0-0 in the 4th quarter. That's the only game I don't understand why we didn't have a better offensive game plan.
I'd put this coaching staff up against any other in the country.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Bama fan, LSU news
Par!
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:07 pm to thatthang
quote:Are you an idiot? There is no situation in which Orgeron is getting fired after 1 year only. So the year 1 and 2 buyout numbers are meaningless. How is this not common sense?
Your hypothetical scenario is completely irrelevant to the point that this is an absolutely ludicrous contract to sign at this point in time.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:17 pm to MetryTyger
I realize the athletic department doesn't receive state funds and I recognized in my original post that heavy investment in football at a program like LSU directly benefits the academic side. My point is this contract feels like a huge waste of money. LSU football will still be in the black, but they would have been way more in the black with a contract that better reflected his market value, and thus able to better contribute to the academic side.
Regarding your claim that LSU does not have budget woes, you would know better than I would, so I'm not gonna argue this point all day. But I will just ask you, how do you explain the below Nola.com column in terms of your claim that government funding shortfalls are not affecting the university appreciably?
LSU losing faculty, possibly students over budget cuts, university president says
Regarding your claim that LSU does not have budget woes, you would know better than I would, so I'm not gonna argue this point all day. But I will just ask you, how do you explain the below Nola.com column in terms of your claim that government funding shortfalls are not affecting the university appreciably?
LSU losing faculty, possibly students over budget cuts, university president says
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:18 pm to MetryTyger
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And what if he lasts to 2020 or 2021 ???????
Then he either performed at a level he's never reached before and you are ok, or the buyout numbers combined with Les' buyout numbers prevented you from correcting the mistake and your program is set back even further.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:18 pm to thatthang
quote:And football is still making money hand over dick......
But I will just ask you, how do you explain the below Nola.com column in terms of your claim that government funding shortfalls are not affecting the university appreciably?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:19 pm to bamasgot13
quote:Dude, your anger and butthurt are making you retarded. Explain why the year 1 buyout number matters? Or even the year 2? There isnt a situation without cause we are firing a coach after 2 years
or the buyout numbers combined with Les' buyout numbers prevented you from correcting the mistake and your program is set back even further.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:21 pm to MetryTyger
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As far as Orgeron, he has assembled a top-notch staff. All 6 of his victories last year were ROUTS
"He won the games he coached except the ones he lost!"
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Orgeron is going to get 3 years regardless. After year three his buyout is NOTHING.
We pay aranda 2, so naturally out of respect you need to give the head guy a fairly wide compensation gap even if it's a controversial hire.
I say this as someone who was not a fan of the hire, but certainly am going to give him a chance
We pay aranda 2, so naturally out of respect you need to give the head guy a fairly wide compensation gap even if it's a controversial hire.
I say this as someone who was not a fan of the hire, but certainly am going to give him a chance
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:29 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:I can't believe people don't understand this.
Orgeron is going to get 3 years regardless. After year three his buyout is NOTHING.
Well, I get pissed off butthurt fans that don't think logically, but summer is usually a solid poster
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:40 pm to thatthang
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My point is this contract feels like a huge waste of money
How is paying the football coach a rate that ranks 11th in the league a "huge waste of money"? For comparison, Mark Stoops made $3.5 million in base pay last season - the same amount Orgeron is scheduled to make next season.
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Regarding your claim that LSU does not have budget woes
That's not what he said, he said the ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT doesn't have budget woes.
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government funding shortfalls are not affecting the university appreciably
That has ZERO affect on LSU Athletics. Athletics GIVES MONEY TO THE UNIVERSITY - not the other way around.
Why is this so fricking hard for you people to understand?
The LSU AD and TAF is flush with cash, they pay a coach Kentucky football coach level pay, and y'all are all freaking out.
I'm smelling something besides just concern for our program up in here...
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:42 pm to tigerbait2010
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Orgeron is going to get 3 years regardless
No he is not. If he loses every SEC game this year he will be gone
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Looks like he will get ataleast 2 years maybe 4 if they still owe Miles a lot.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
LSU fans have an overinflated opinion of their program. The Saban era was the exception, not the rule.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:44 pm to LSUgrad88
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a butchered, national embarrassment like that falls on him.
Yes it does. Every AD at big time programs have influential people in their ear. If those people are calling the shots then bad things tend to happen.
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