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re: What makes the Iron Bowl so contentious?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:56 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:56 am to BHMKyle
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It really is quite remarkable. When I set out to do my research, I did not expect to find it so lop-sided. But Bama seems to get more kids from the rural areas of the state, while Auburn seems to attract more kids from the best high schools in the more suburban areas of the state.
The majority of Bama students now are from out of state
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:59 am to BHMKyle
We live here in Bham as well and have one in college and another soon to be on the way. The admission requirements and scholarship opportunities are very different between the two schools. I don't know that I would have made it into Auburn with today's requirements. I had the ACT scores, but not the GPA.
There's a very large Auburn contingent at my youngest kid's high school. I'd say well over half of the kids going to college will go to Auburn. Its crazy.
There's a very large Auburn contingent at my youngest kid's high school. I'd say well over half of the kids going to college will go to Auburn. Its crazy.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:00 am to BHMKyle
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So while Bama fans like to think that Auburn is an Ag school more than anything, its just not the case. For every 1 kid that comes to Auburn for Agriculture, roughly 9 other kids come for Business, Engineering, or Architecture. All total, Agriculture ranks 8th in size for all of the colleges at Auburn in terms of entering freshman students (behind Engineering, Business, Liberal Arts, Sciences & Math, Education, Architecture, and Human Sciences).
The point is Alabama has better communication and business programs (accounting, healthcare management) and Auburn has better engineering and ag programs. Alabama has a law school. Auburn has a pharmacy and vet school. That isn't really debatable.
There are still a lot of kids at Alabama that major in engineering, physics, chemistry, etc and a lot of kids at Auburn that major in accounting, finance and communications, but both schools are known for specific programs regardless of how many students enroll in each.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:06 am to The Spleen
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What do you base this opinion on?
From visiting many times. The University of Alabama has a beautiful campus, but once you get off campus there is nothing nice about the city. The Strip is a sketchy. It certainly lacks the southern charm that oozes from places like Athens, Oxford, Fayetteville, Auburn, etc.
Also, Tuscaloosa is pretty dangerous. If you look at the 10 Alabama cities with at least 40,000 residents (as of 2010), here is how they rank in terms of violent crime rate:
1,517.8- Birmingham
923.3- Huntsville
593.6- Mobile
519.7- Tuscaloosa
481.3- Dothan
427.6- Decatur
395.7- Montgomery
249.9- Auburn
205.2- Madison
104.5- Hoover
As you can see, Tuscaloosa has twice the violent crime rate.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:09 am to BHMKyle
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get off campus there is nothing nice about the city
You clearly haven't been to Downtown Tuscaloosa in the last 5-10 years.
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The Strip is a sketchy
Lol wut?
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It certainly lacks the southern charm that oozes from places like Athens, Oxford, Fayetteville, Auburn, etc.
So let me get this straight - you think Fayetteville, Arkansas oozes "southern charm" more than Tuscaloosa, Alabama? Really?
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If you look at the 10 Alabama cities with at least 40,000 residents (as of 2010), here is how they rank in terms of violent crime rate:
Shocker, those are 4 of the 5 largest cities in the state as well. Tuscaloosa has crime like other cities of 90K+ have crime.
All in all, good luck with helping your kid pick their college. But if you aren't going to let them go to Alabama for the reasons you have mentioned so far then that is a pretty ignorant way to mentor them.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:10 am to BHMKyle
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It really is quite remarkable. When I set out to do my research, I did not expect to find it so lop-sided. But Bama seems to get more kids from the rural areas of the state, while Auburn seems to attract more kids from the best high schools in the more suburban areas of the state.
It has always been that way. AU has always been the far superior school, AU grads have always made more money, AU has always attracted the smarter high school kids and so forth.
Bama has always known they were an inferior school, fan base, and institution. That has never changed. Bama also knows the only area where they can attempt to measure up to AU is in football, therefore, they have always committed more resources, paid more for players, coaches, and facilities.
Until saban got to bama, Tuscaloosa was a total shithole of a campus compared to AU. Saban has helped to get the campus up to AU levels, but as far as the institution goes, it is lipstick on a pig.
And of course you have the saying that bama fans care about bama football while AU fans care about Auburn. That has always been true.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:11 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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as far as the institution goes, it is lipstick on a pig.
I guarantee you my degree from Alabama is more highly ranked and respected in my field than your degree from Auburn is in yours.
100% guaranteed.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:13 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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of course you have the saying that bama fans care about bama football while AU fans care about Auburn
Drunken Pat Dye quotes for the win!
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:14 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I guarantee you my degree from Alabama is more highly ranked and respected in my field than your degree from Auburn is in yours.
What is your field, window licking?
If so, agreed.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:15 am to LanierSpots
Actually, 12th fairway's mindset is much more common among Auburn fans than Alabama fans. I have good Auburn friends who have many close Alabama friends. They get invited to the Iron Bowl in Tuscaloosa all the time but refuse to attend. You guys, like 12th's view of Auburn, have a completely irrational hatred for the city of Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:16 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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What is your field, window licking?
Deflect! Deflect!
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:16 am to SummerOfGeorge
Two pretty legit programs. A lot of people dont give Auburn enough respect as a program. They are a top 10-15 program of all time. Alabama is one of the top 2-3 of all time.
Both have moronic fan bases that live for this game. Football gets way too much attention in this state so naturally its a big deal. The game also has lived up to the hype more times than not.
This was a crazy arse game long before Cam, Nick Saban or kick 6.
Both have moronic fan bases that live for this game. Football gets way too much attention in this state so naturally its a big deal. The game also has lived up to the hype more times than not.
This was a crazy arse game long before Cam, Nick Saban or kick 6.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:17 am to BHMKyle
Fair enough. I think the campus and downtown area of Tuscaloosa is just as nice as Athens, and the areas of both outside of those are pretty comparable in their blandness. Neither really scream southern charm to me, but that's just me.
Majority of Tuscaloosa's violent crime is isolated to certain areas of town and rarely impact the campus area. I lived there for several years and never had it impact me, nor never witnessed any firsthand.
Majority of Tuscaloosa's violent crime is isolated to certain areas of town and rarely impact the campus area. I lived there for several years and never had it impact me, nor never witnessed any firsthand.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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You should probably expand your research to the kids from out of state that are coming to Alabama and see what you find.
Alabama has more out-of-state kids, no doubt. But they also have more in-state kids.
From 2011-2014, Alabama enrolled 10,609 kids from the state of Alabama to Auburn's 9,693.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:19 am to CtotheVrzrbck
The difference between working with your rivals and standing in lines for government programs with your rivals is a whole new magnitude of stress.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:25 am to thefloydian
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Auburn fans have convinced themselves that there is some sort of moral high ground to be claimed by being fans of the 2nd tier Alabama football team
Alabama fans have convinced themselves by going to Walmart and wearing the gear they have some level of superiority, that the only think in life that matters is the Crimson Tide. They believe taunting everyone with ROLL TIDE, tea bagging, tree killing, murder, etc. all are somehow justified, cause the Tide is good in football.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:27 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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AU has always been the far superior school
for veterinary students, agricultural students? Yep. For business and law students? not even close
Really depends on field of study. Neither can claim across the board superiority over the other.
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AU grads have always made more money
again, depends on field of study. I do ok.
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Bama also knows the only area where they can attempt to measure up to AU is in football
attempt to measure up? a little early to be drinking, man. Bama doesn't use AU as their football measuring stick. I'm a bit surprised you've convinced yourself of this.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:27 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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What is your field
what is your field?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:33 am to bamasgot13
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for veterinary students, agricultural students
I didn't know anybody that was in agricultural while I was there. I knew a few that started out in veterinary school but washed out into something else. I knew quote a few engineering majors, but I'd say most of my friends were in Business or Liberal Arts.
Just an observation.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:36 am to DuncanIdaho
Yeah, I don't think Bama's business school is all that much superior to Auburn's. Maybe it was 20-30 years ago, but there's not much difference these days. Companies here in Bham seem to recruit graduates from both pretty equally.
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