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re: Watching JFF's pro day on ESPN2

Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by adammwilson
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:10 pm to
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Where are you getting that?


Every single person associated with the league. I had almost a full page of quotes from people who get paid to write about the draft/work in the nfl/ pro scouts say it wasn't that important earlier in this thread. Page 10. It took me about 3 minutes.

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If thinking that our former QB set the place on fire yesterday is "going full homer," color me beyond full.


Your defense of him and the way you all do it is what is full homer. Anyone who beings up anything negative about him is branded a "hater" and clueless.



This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:18 pm to
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Every single person associated with the league.

Every single person?
Are you just making this stuff up?
And there's absolutely nothing to defend.
I have no problem at all discussing facts.
I haven't called you a hater and/or clueless.

Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:21 pm to
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Every single person?
Are you just making this stuff up?


Every single person that I've read. Go back to Page 10. Plenty of quotes there and that wasn't anywhere close to all of them.

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Greg Gabriel ?@greggabe 17h Some comments by coaches at Manziel's pro day back my beliefs. QB pro days are nothing but hyped media affairs. They don't help evaluators.
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 12:23 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:23 pm to
There are plenty of things to hate on him for you just happen to choose his strengths

Question his decision making on and off the field? Sure. He makes a few plays every game that leave you wondering what the frick he was thinking. He has questions to answer about his behavior off the field as well

Question whether he can adapt his style to the athletes in the NFL? Definitely. That's the biggest change he has to make.

Will he be able to thrive in a more pro style offense? A huge question mark for sure

Will his size be a factor? An overrated question in my opinion but still a valid one

Instead you are harping on his accuracy when he is the most accurate passer in SEC history and the most accurate deep passer in the draft, which I pointed out in your own link on like page 4. Then you are criticizing his ability to throw under pressure when he is one of the best at evading pressure in college history. You should criticize him for his weaknesses, not his strengths.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:27 pm to
First its "every single person in the NFL"

Now its "every single person that I've read"

You must have been captain of the debate team...

Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:27 pm to
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You should criticize him for his weaknesses, not his strengths.


and I would. I simply thought the stats about him throwing under pressure were interesting and he had the highest % of throws that were not catchable. Like I said we've gone back and forth about his strengths and weaknesses in other threads. I was just saying pro days are overrated.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:28 pm to
So we've gone from every single person associated with the NFL to every single person that you've read thinks Johnny's performance yesterday "doesn't mean much."

My head hurts.

ETA: Spirit of Aggieland beat me to it.
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 12:29 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:28 pm to
I agree in some regards. Someone performing well doesn't say a lot to me. Bridgewater doing terrible reflects pretty poorly since they are meant to make you look good.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:29 pm to
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First its "every single person in the NFL"

Now its "every single person that I've read"

You must have been captain of the debate team...


When you read the reactions of over 100 people associated with the NFL and they all say the same thing does that not give you a strong hint? Does that not tell you that almost everyone must think the same way?
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:30 pm to
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So we've gone from every single person associated with the NFL to every single person that you've read thinks Johnny's performance yesterday "doesn't mean much."


So you don't think that over 100 people in the NFL saying the same thing doesn't mean the vast majority must feel that way? Is that not a fair assumption to think?
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted by adammwilson
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Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:31 pm to
I'm confused on why you guys think pro days mean much? Is it just because your boy lit his up? If he had just done OK would this thread be very different?
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:31 pm to
You've read the reactions of 100 people--associated with the NFL--to Johnny's performance yesterday?

How?

And why?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60212 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:31 pm to
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I'm confused on why you guys think pro days mean much? Is it just because your boy lit his up? If he had just done OK would this thread be very different?


You should make the trolling less obvious with comments like these
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted by adammwilson
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Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:33 pm to
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You've read the reactions of 100 people--associated with the NFL--to Johnny's performance yesterday?


It was all most of them were talking about on twitter yesterday. You know that- come on the guy is big news. His pro day had tons of people there.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:33 pm to
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You should make the trolling less obvious with comments like these


I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely curious.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:34 pm to
I never said Pro Days mean "much."
I responded to a live thread yesterday about his Pro Day performance.


That said, your attempts at dismissing PDs are kinda misguided, as someone must think they mean something ... or they wouldn't take place.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:34 pm to
Let's analyze that question. I would ask this as a follow up. Did you find anything that was positive, or did you ignore those when counting to 100?

In other words, if you select 100 NFL reactions at random, would none of them say he improved or solidified his draft status?

Because you inferred that it meant nothing...

Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60212 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:35 pm to
Sure you are
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:37 pm to
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someone must think they mean something ... or they wouldn't take place.


I thought the same thing. The response seemed to be it's good to see the prospects at their schools and you get official numbers on guys that weren't at the combine.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:39 pm to
Johnny was at the combine.
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