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re: Want to know what Saban really thinks about being #2?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:32 pm to bama1959
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:32 pm to bama1959
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That schedule is still considered the toughest in the nation. As for Houston, well if they want to get considered for the PO they need to schedule some tougher teams.
Listen to what you're saying.
People say the rankings don't matter and then tell someone to "schedule some tougher teams". Schedule which tougher teams? The ones who are ranked high in this ranking?
These 4 AAC teams who are all ranked (and all other non power conferences) are going to get screwed regardless of ranking and will never be allowed into this playoff. It's a joke really.
Look at Baylor's only top 4 wins in the top one hundred according to Massey Composite:
#39 WVU
#51 Texas Tech
#63 Kansas State
#74 Iowa State
56.75 average
Here's Houston's:
#47 Louisville
#49 Cincinnati
#80 Vanderbilt
#81 Tulsa
64.25 average
One of these teams is ranked #6. The other is ranked #24. Both are undefeated. I mean, really? The fact is: They don't want Houston to be allowed into a CFP. They don't mind if Baylor gets in. Schedule doesn't matter. Even if Houston goes on to beat #21 Memphis, #20 Navy, and then another highly ranked team in their champ game it won't matter. Simply winning those games will drop all of these teams out of the rankings quickly and they won't have their "quality wins" anymore. No non power school or even bigger name power school would be getting a top 10 ranking with the schedules of Baylor or Ohio State right now. Just a fact.
What ranking do you think Ohio State would have if it had Temple's exact resume? Temple beat Penn State (Ohio State's best win) and lost to #4 Notre Dame by 4 points in the last 2 minutes of the game. Do you think Ohio State would be ranked #22 like Temple or probably somewhere more along the lines of the top 10 still?
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Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:47 pm to i am dan
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Can make the same argument with ND. Like I said, I'm just wasting time discussing this because it's interesting and fun. I could argue your side and enjoy myself too.
Actually, you really need to make the same argument with the other top teams. Your current argument is completely meaningless without context because rankings are completely contextual and comparative. Nobody is ranked #1 simply on their merits as a team. They're ranked #1 (or 2 or 24 or whatever) relative to other teams. The only support you've given is some vague claim about Ohio State, Michigan State, and Iowa being more "complete" teams, a meaningless assertion without some sort of logical argument, and bizarrely floundering observations about LSU and Bama opponents not being particularly good (I especially like the part where you explain how Bama's opponents weren't that good, then go on say how it's "different" when a team's only loss was to Bama. You know, like LSU? And Wisky losing to two teams still deep into the play-off hunt for its only two losses is the reason they have 2 losses and thus aren't in the top 10.)
You're putting on an okay show of wanting honest conversation, but anything other than a cursory reading of your posts suggests you had a conclusion a priori and are now working hard, and ineffectually, to justify it. It's just a little clumsy, y'know?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:52 pm to roguetiger15
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When you have a coach that firmly believes in the process and only the process nothing else matters.
Exactly
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Especially when you control your own destiny now.
Roll Tide!
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:55 pm to randomways
He's not going to understand a word of that. People like Dan do not understand that their act is so repetitive that anyone could type his post for him.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:55 pm to CCTider
Wooo, I was Dr Pepper free just then.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:13 pm to randomways
quote:I love you!
Actually, you really need to make the same argument with the other top teams. Your current argument is completely meaningless without context because rankings are completely contextual and comparative. Nobody is ranked #1 simply on their merits as a team. They're ranked #1 (or 2 or 24 or whatever) relative to other teams. The only support you've given is some vague claim about Ohio State, Michigan State, and Iowa being more "complete" teams, a meaningless assertion without some sort of logical argument, and bizarrely floundering observations about LSU and Bama opponents not being particularly good (I especially like the part where you explain how Bama's opponents weren't that good, then go on say how it's "different" when a team's only loss was to Bama. You know, like LSU? And Wisky losing to two teams still deep into the play-off hunt for its only two losses is the reason they have 2 losses and thus aren't in the top 10.) You're putting on an okay show of wanting honest conversation, but anything other than a cursory reading of your posts suggests you had a conclusion a priori and are now working hard, and ineffectually, to justify it. It's just a little clumsy, y'know?
no homo
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:18 pm to i am dan
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Because an undefeated Houston might get completely fricked? Is that fair? Ranking probably means something to Houston. Sitting at at #24 undefeated.
Conversely, what if SCAR were to beat #11 Florida, unranked Citadel, and then knock off #1 Clemson? UNC, whom we beat in week 1, is ranked in the top 25 currently.
If that should happen, would it warrant ranking a team that would be 6-6 inside the top 25?
**disclaimer- no, I don't think the scenario above is likely at all, but I am interested in your opinions on what I suggested.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:28 am to randomways
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Actually, you really need to make the same argument with the other top teams. Your current argument is completely meaningless without context because rankings are completely contextual and comparative. Nobody is ranked #1 simply on their merits as a team. They're ranked #1 (or 2 or 24 or whatever) relative to other teams. The only support you've given is some vague claim about Ohio State, Michigan State, and Iowa being more "complete" teams, a meaningless assertion without some sort of logical argument, and bizarrely floundering observations about LSU and Bama opponents not being particularly good (I especially like the part where you explain how Bama's opponents weren't that good, then go on say how it's "different" when a team's only loss was to Bama. You know, like LSU? And Wisky losing to two teams still deep into the play-off hunt for its only two losses is the reason they have 2 losses and thus aren't in the top 10.)
You're putting on an okay show of wanting honest conversation, but anything other than a cursory reading of your posts suggests you had a conclusion a priori and are now working hard, and ineffectually, to justify it. It's just a little clumsy, y'know?
Like I said, you can make a ranking argument about any team, specifically when people use their opinion to create the rankings. Human rankings are opinion. I understand that rankings are bases on a team's standing in relation to other teams. Human rankings in general are a "meaningless assumption" as you put it. I am using Bama in my discussion because I chose the #2 ranked team with a loss and this is an SEC message board.
Let's take the "meaningless assumption" out of the picture and look at the computer rankings.
1. Iowa
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. LSU
7. Ohio State
8. Florida
9. Stanford
10. Utah
Computer Rankings November 8, 2015
I would say this ranking would be "contextual and comparative" since that is the actual purpose of the computer ranking system. Computer ranking is a little different from the playoff ranking. Interesting huh?
I have no problem with Alabama being ranked where they are. They are one of the top teams right now. Stop taking anything that shows Bama in a negative light as a personal attack on you. You do not matter. Just like you tried attacking me by posting about Auburn's preseason #6 ranking and JJ's run at the Heisman trying to get a reaction out of me. Funny.
Is this an ineffective and clumsy post?
Also, look at DSWEAR's post above. Another good example of how human perception can get rankings totally wrong.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 7:37 am
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:45 am to i am dan
quote:I'd bet Saban would love to see that competition in the final 4.
Let's take the "meaningless assumption" out of the picture and look at the computer rankings. 1. Iowa 2. Clemson 3. Notre Dame 4. Alabama 5. Oklahoma State 6. LSU 7. Ohio State 8. Florida 9. Stanford 10. Utah
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:58 am to dswear
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Listen to what you're saying.
People say the rankings don't matter and then tell someone to "schedule some tougher teams". Schedule which tougher teams? The ones who are ranked high in this ranking?
These 4 AAC teams who are all ranked (and all other non power conferences) are going to get screwed regardless of ranking and will never be allowed into this playoff. It's a joke really.
Look at Baylor's only top 4 wins in the top one hundred according to Massey Composite:
#39 WVU
#51 Texas Tech
#63 Kansas State
#74 Iowa State
56.75 average
Here's Houston's:
#47 Louisville
#49 Cincinnati
#80 Vanderbilt
#81 Tulsa
64.25 average
One of these teams is ranked #6. The other is ranked #24. Both are undefeated. I mean, really? The fact is: They don't want Houston to be allowed into a CFP. They don't mind if Baylor gets in. Schedule doesn't matter. Even if Houston goes on to beat #21 Memphis, #20 Navy, and then another highly ranked team in their champ game it won't matter. Simply winning those games will drop all of these teams out of the rankings quickly and they won't have their "quality wins" anymore. No non power school or even bigger name power school would be getting a top 10 ranking with the schedules of Baylor or Ohio State right now. Just a fact.
What ranking do you think Ohio State would have if it had Temple's exact resume? Temple beat Penn State (Ohio State's best win) and lost to #4 Notre Dame by 4 points in the last 2 minutes of the game. Do you think Ohio State would be ranked #22 like Temple or probably somewhere more along the lines of the top 10 still?
I hear you. I think those Big12 and Big10 schedules are a joke too.
Get through the SEC W with 1 loss and Houston would get in, GAURANTEED. The PO committee hates the Big12 right now. Only an undefeated B12 team makes the PO and that could go for the B1G also. But they do add importance to the conference champion and the P5 conferences have an edge over a non-P5 conference.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 10:09 am to coachcrisp
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Want to know what Saban really thinks about?
Your mom.
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