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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:39 pm to Korin
Oh, you. 
Va Tech with SEC money would have upgraded baseball quickly and the football would be escalated even faster.
Va Tech with SEC money would have upgraded baseball quickly and the football would be escalated even faster.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:39 pm to Bamatab
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Like Finebaum would know who the SEC's top target was. I would be my life on A&M being ahead of VT on the SEC's wish list
The SEC didn't have to expand at all and I don't think Va Tech by itself would have been enough to make it happen. There wasn't expansion without A&M and the Texas market. It didn't really explain in that article but my guess is they meant as #14.
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I still don't see VT being the #1 choice. I bet UNC was higher on their wishlists. Granted, there was no way UNC was coming then, but neither was VT if you listened to the PTB at VT.
VT probably had more serious discussions though, or at the very least, some prominent people there were receptive to the idea. I think there is a contingent there that wants the SEC quite badly (and another that wants nothing to do with us). It's a better fit for them. UNC probably dismissed it out of hand.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:40 pm to Jobu93
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Oh, you.
Va Tech with SEC money would have upgraded baseball quickly and the football would be escalated even faster.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:41 pm to beaver
I wanted VTech, Clemson or Florida St. to come with A&M. He'll even NC State would have allowed us to keep some geographic parity.
Sorry Mizzou. But not really.
Duke, UNC and UVA would never join the SEC. FSU and Clemson are very much SEC schools (and I bet Clemson would give their left nut to join) but their instate rivals will never let them in.
Sorry Mizzou. But not really.
Duke, UNC and UVA would never join the SEC. FSU and Clemson are very much SEC schools (and I bet Clemson would give their left nut to join) but their instate rivals will never let them in.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:41 pm to Korin
eh, it was a combo post.
just sayin that the baseball for VTech would get good quick and the football would see benefits quicker yet.
just sayin that the baseball for VTech would get good quick and the football would see benefits quicker yet.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:42 pm to tmc94
VT couldn't leave the ACC. Not after the shitefit the VA governor threw to get them added to the ACC in the first place. They were tied to Virginia and the ACC and had to stay.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:43 pm to wmr
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Y'all quit being mean to Mizzou. They're here, they're not leaving. They were willing to step up and do it. So at least appreciate that.
True. ALL the other schools knew about the money the SEC would make, why didn't they step up?? Hell Maryland got the hell out of the ACC for the B1G so people can't claim the buyout clause is what stopped ACC teams since the ACC was robbing other conferences.
People need to realize that VT, Virginia, Duke, FSU, GT, Miami, UNC, NC State, etc don't want the SEC. Any of those teams could have easily bolted when the ACC was robbing the Big East, hell Maryland bolted. Only schools that wanted the SEC are TAMU, Mizzou, and WVU.
OU, Okie State, and Texas don't even want the SEC. Hell Baylor and Texas Tech didn't even want to join. Only Mizzou and TAMU out of the Big 12 wanted the SEC.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:44 pm to tmc94
on that note, Va Tech fricked up pretty badly. I know they and a few others saw what happened to us as far as fund-raising and it's really opened eyes. My guess is in hind-sight, there is a lot more support for the idea.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:44 pm to mule74
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Duke, UNC and UVA would never join the SEC. FSU and Clemson are very much SEC schools (and I bet Clemson would give their left nut to join) but their instate rivals will never let them in.
You're wrong. Those teams want an easier path to the playoffs. Which is easier to make the playoffs, being in the ACC or SEC, not hard to figure that out.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:44 pm to beaver
They were my first choice.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:46 pm to MrAUTigers
UNC is the ACC. They will never join the SEC.
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:46 pm to bayou2003
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You're wrong. Those teams want an easier path to the playoffs. Which is easier to make the playoffs, being in the ACC or SEC, not hard to figure that out.
this is a talking point. They say that because they are where they are so they try to put the best spin on it. FSU and Clemson badly want to be in the SEC. As do most of the Big 12 schools. Politics just complicate things
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:49 pm to tmc94
FSU had their chance back in 90. They chose the easier road.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:51 pm to tmc94
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The SEC didn't have to expand at all and I don't think Va Tech by itself would have been enough to make it happen. There wasn't expansion without A&M and the Texas market. It didn't really explain in that article but my guess is they meant as #14.
Hell no VT wouldn't have been enough to make it happen. A Texas school was the SEC's top choice.
Hell WVU is a better choice than Mizzou if you want to talk about rabid fan base, BCS appearances, etc. WVU would bring in the Virginia market for recruits since they still play in the same area.lol. It's all about $$$, SEC won't get much from the state of Virginia with one school in ACC and another in SEC. Texas is big enough for SEC to get A LOT of money out of even if they have Big 12 schools in the state. Missouri brings in a lot because the SEC have the market all to themselves. Yes Missouri brings in more than VT because the SEC won't get 100% of the Virginia market(dollars) since they have a ACC school in that market.
And people can't say Mizzou is a bad choice, they went to the SEC title game. Can't use injuries as an excuse because nobody used that when Mizzou was injured in 2012 and lost 2 conference games. Hell Mizzou won conference games in the SEC when their offense was banged up. We've had SEC teams with lesser injuries going 0-8. Hell Vandy might even go 0-8 this season. People can't say Mizzou is soft, weak when then didn't go 0-8 in 2012 with worse injuries and lesser talent.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:51 pm to Korin
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FSU had their chance back in 90.
My sentiments exactly. Bowden said at the time he didn't want any part of an SEC schedule. They had their chance. Eff 'em.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:52 pm to Korin
For as good as Bobby Bowden was, this was just a short sighted, colossal mistake passing up the opportunity to join.
FSU.... hell, they would be scary with SEC resources.
They do well now. Just imagine with all of the extra cash.
FSU.... hell, they would be scary with SEC resources.
They do well now. Just imagine with all of the extra cash.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:53 pm to Korin
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FSU had their chance back in 90. They chose the easier road.
FSU loves the ACC. I think they'd rather face Clemson, VT, Miami over LSU, Bama, Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina, Tenn, etc.lol.
People have to realize some teams want an easier road to Playoffs. Don't care about the money or TV contracts, etc. Mizzou, Nebraska, Colorado and aTm left Big 12 because they didn't want to be Texas' bitch, wasn't about the money. Nobody had any idea how much money TV contracts would bring back then.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:53 pm to tmc94
Value in expansion really was about 3 things primarily:
1. Expansion of the TV footprint. Schools needed to add markets to not only pay for themselves but to add overall value to the conference. This is why Clemson and FSU were nonstarters.
2. AAU Membership. College Presidents vote on expansion and College Presidents care about academics and research money. AAU membership is far more important than football success to them.
3. Resources. This isn't about recent winning but the ability to build and win. How large is the fanbase and what kind of money to they have? Are they committed to excellence or do they at least have the ability to do so? This is also why schools like UVA and UNC are more valuable than VT and NC State. UVA and UNC could raise a couple hundred million in donations with a handful of phone calls if they chose to. Their alumni base is large, powerful, and very wealthy.
1. Expansion of the TV footprint. Schools needed to add markets to not only pay for themselves but to add overall value to the conference. This is why Clemson and FSU were nonstarters.
2. AAU Membership. College Presidents vote on expansion and College Presidents care about academics and research money. AAU membership is far more important than football success to them.
3. Resources. This isn't about recent winning but the ability to build and win. How large is the fanbase and what kind of money to they have? Are they committed to excellence or do they at least have the ability to do so? This is also why schools like UVA and UNC are more valuable than VT and NC State. UVA and UNC could raise a couple hundred million in donations with a handful of phone calls if they chose to. Their alumni base is large, powerful, and very wealthy.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:55 pm to beaver
Thank god we dodged that bullet.
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