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re: Very early SEC 1st and 2nd team Predictions Basketball
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:08 pm to Farmer1906
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:08 pm to Farmer1906
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As bad as A&M is Elston Turner has to be on at least the 2nd team.
Turner scored 40 against Kentucky, then 41 points COMBINED against the next four opponents.
vs. Florida: 4
at Alabama: 13
at LSU: 5
vs. Georgia: 19
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:27 pm to BigBird09
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in fact it is a huge compliment to your coach that you are that much better than everyone, yet you don't have any standout players.
This is what I've been trying to say the whole time. Young has an argument but at this time. Players like O'Bryant are producing better.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:31 pm to BigBird09
I've been considering that, but have no idea who to put in KCP's spot on 2nd team. Powell is certainly talented I guess I'd have to watch him more.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:45 pm to ChargerDog91
Is this serious? No Florida players in the first OR second team? 
Young, Boynton, Murphy, and Wilbekin will all be in there somewhere.
Young, Boynton, Murphy, and Wilbekin will all be in there somewhere.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:52 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:Wilbekin is better than both.
Agree, arguable he's been the best PG this year so far in the SEC. Doesn't have the "name" power of a guy like Pressey but hard to argue Pressey has been better than him for sure, especially when you take into account how much of a beast Hickey is defensively. Will be cool to see Hickey and Pressey next game against one another.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:53 pm to GatorsGators
Dear god read half of the explanations in the earlier part of the thread. This has already been talked about several times.
It's not a knock against Florida, it's a compliment.
There is a such thing called the sum of the teams parts are better than the individuals and that is how it is with ya'll.
Young is talented but at this time there isn't really an argument to put him in front of O'Bryant or Noel. Same for Boynton and Wilbekin, no way they are better than Pressey, Henderson, Sullivan, and Releford at this time.
I could see an argument for Young at the 4 ahead of Oriaki, but seems Powell is most likely to get that spot of Young. Murphy Holloway is no doubt the best 4 at this time. He's averaging a double double.
Again give me a legitimate argument for any of those guys. I mean I guess I could put Boynton at the 2nd team 3 spot and move KCP to 1st team?
It's not a knock against Florida, it's a compliment.
There is a such thing called the sum of the teams parts are better than the individuals and that is how it is with ya'll.
Young is talented but at this time there isn't really an argument to put him in front of O'Bryant or Noel. Same for Boynton and Wilbekin, no way they are better than Pressey, Henderson, Sullivan, and Releford at this time.
I could see an argument for Young at the 4 ahead of Oriaki, but seems Powell is most likely to get that spot of Young. Murphy Holloway is no doubt the best 4 at this time. He's averaging a double double.
Again give me a legitimate argument for any of those guys. I mean I guess I could put Boynton at the 2nd team 3 spot and move KCP to 1st team?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:54 pm to BigBird09
quote:The only reason that we don't have any standout players is because we have so many standout players that none stand out. There are plenty of reasons no SEC teams have even given us a game so far, and coaching is only one of them.
I understand some Florida players being upset that they don't have any players on the list, but instead of posting "no UF players hahaha lololol ", try making an argument for one of them to be on there over one of the ones listed. This isn't a bad list and in fact it is a huge compliment to your coach that you are that much better than everyone, yet you don't have any standout players.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:55 pm to ChargerDog91
It's easier to put up bigger numbers when you play for a shitty team and there aren't many options on the team.
Florida has 5 guys averaging double figures. A guy like Boynton or Murphy could easily be a 16+ pt scorer if they played for a team with limited options.
Also Scottie Wilbekin is arguably the best defensive player in the conference while putting up efficient points and assists.
Also while I agree that "on paper" Florida players might not have the stats as the other guys, I would take those three players over the majority of the guys you've listed.
Florida has 5 guys averaging double figures. A guy like Boynton or Murphy could easily be a 16+ pt scorer if they played for a team with limited options.
Also Scottie Wilbekin is arguably the best defensive player in the conference while putting up efficient points and assists.
Also while I agree that "on paper" Florida players might not have the stats as the other guys, I would take those three players over the majority of the guys you've listed.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:56 pm to ChargerDog91
quote:Young is a better player than O'Bryant. Young doesn't have to do nearly as much as he's surrounded by other talented guys, but that doesn't mean O'Bryant is better.
Young is talented but at this time there isn't really an argument to put him in front of O'Bryant or Noel.
Stats don't tell the whole story people.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:56 pm to GatorsGators
If any of your players could be on the list it's Young or Boynton. Wilbekin is good but not All-SEC material. There is no way he is better than Pressey or Hickey. He's down the list of guards in this league, but not because he isn't talented it's because there are so many good guards.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:59 pm to ChargerDog91
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If any of your players could be on the list it's Young or Boynton. Wilbekin is good but not All-SEC material. There is no way he is better than Pressey or Hickey. He's down the list of guards in this league, but not because he isn't talented it's because there are so many good guards.
Wilbekin is way better than Hickey. He's a better shooter, better on-ball defender, and smarter passer. Hickey is faster, but that's about it.
Wilbekin could easily be putting up big stats on a shitty team, but he's not.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:00 pm to ChargerDog91
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If any of your players could be on the list it's Young or Boynton. Wilbekin is good but not All-SEC material. There is no way he is better than Pressey or Hickey. He's down the list of guards in this league, but not because he isn't talented it's because there are so many good guards.
You seem to do too much stat watching instead of watching actual games.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:03 pm to GatorsGators
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Wilbekin is better than both.
Disagree, Hickey plays both ways extremely well.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:03 pm to GatorsGators
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better on-ball defender
Hickey is the best PG defender out there
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:05 pm to GatorsGators
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Wilbekin is way better than Hickey. He's a better shooter, better on-ball defender
LOL no
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:06 pm to xenythx
I watched ya'll play us last night and wasn't overly impressed by anyone. Not a knock, ya'll beat the shite out of us, but it's cause ya'll play together as a team. I mean I can tell you are being biased just like anyone would be, but to say Wilbekin and Boynton are better than Pressey, Henderson, Sullivan, Hickey, and Releford is plum crazy. The guards in this league are stacked.
I'm still waiting for a legitimate argument from ya'll about your players, Seems ya'll are just giving opinions. I'm using stats and from watching games with my own eyes. Young is a legit player but he sure played soft last night. He's very athletic offensively but defensively he's very raw with a lot of power.
Just like Bama fans with football, ya'll are taking offense to me leaving a few Florida players off the list. It's not a knock on ya'll it's a freaking compliment. Take it.
I'm still waiting for a legitimate argument from ya'll about your players, Seems ya'll are just giving opinions. I'm using stats and from watching games with my own eyes. Young is a legit player but he sure played soft last night. He's very athletic offensively but defensively he's very raw with a lot of power.
Just like Bama fans with football, ya'll are taking offense to me leaving a few Florida players off the list. It's not a knock on ya'll it's a freaking compliment. Take it.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:10 pm to thunderbird1100
Hickey vs. Wibekin heads up
Hickey
29 min, 15pts (6/12, 3/8 3pt), 3 reb, 4 ast, 4 stl, 1 blk, 0 TO
Wilbekin
36 min, 7pts (3/10, 1/3 3pt), 5 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 2 TO
And Hickey's team that fday played like garbage outside of him while Wilbekin's teammates were playing great.
Hickey
29 min, 15pts (6/12, 3/8 3pt), 3 reb, 4 ast, 4 stl, 1 blk, 0 TO
Wilbekin
36 min, 7pts (3/10, 1/3 3pt), 5 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 2 TO
And Hickey's team that fday played like garbage outside of him while Wilbekin's teammates were playing great.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:14 pm to thunderbird1100
And as has been stated the whole time, this proves that as a whole Florida has a better team, but this doesn't mean they have better individual players. That's why it's a team game.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:15 pm to ChargerDog91
In SEC play, Pressey is averaging 7.6 pts a game to go along with his 4.5 turnovers a game.
Henderson is a nice player and has been carrying the scoring load for Ole Miss, but he's a product of a wack schedule and volume shooting. The dude is shooting at a 37% clip.
Henderson is a nice player and has been carrying the scoring load for Ole Miss, but he's a product of a wack schedule and volume shooting. The dude is shooting at a 37% clip.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:18 pm to ChargerDog91
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And as has been stated the whole time, this proves that as a whole Florida has a better team, but this doesn't mean they have better individual players. That's why it's a team game.
Yep, definitely a very good balanced team. No one particularly stands out big, but they are solid at all 5 starting spots and have 3 contributing bench players. Nobody else in this league can say that.
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