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Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:39 pm to Vandyrone
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:39 pm to Vandyrone
there are talented athletes 'dying' to go to basically every school with a pulse.
does your average college athlete care about academics of Vanderbilt? That isn't consistent with my experience around them.
does your average college athlete care about academics of Vanderbilt? That isn't consistent with my experience around them.
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:42 pm to Ldrake53
Sure make it easy to stretch the 11.7 scholarships baseball is allowed.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:49 pm to Jamie Lannister
I'm the first to admit that Vandy is little different from every other major university in that our Athletic Department almost certainly helps the athletes perform up to standard academically. We're not demanding our recruits perform as top-notch scholars any more than any other major university. But they still have to make the grade at Vandy, and that generally means they're not necessarily "typical" of the average SEC recruit.
What I'm saying is, we're not bringing in a lot of meathead. We're almost certaily making concessions for them, but not that many concessions.
What I'm saying is, we're not bringing in a lot of meathead. We're almost certaily making concessions for them, but not that many concessions.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:55 pm to randomways
that we know of. See UNC.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:58 pm to Cheese Grits
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UK is like that, they were private, were an A&M, went Morrill, now a state school.
We seem to be headed back towards being private. The Commonwealth's contribution to UK's budget this year is an all-time low, 8%.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:59 pm to Jamie Lannister
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that we know of. See UNC.
I've seen UNC. We're not UNC, so that's a strawman.
As I said, I'm sure we make concessions. But we're still maintaining some Vanderbilt standards. You're swinging wildly here, so I just wanted to point out that speaking in broad generalities isn't really a solid argument.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:01 pm to randomways
i think people saying Vanderbilt is a better school than others is not supported by anything. It is just marketing.
Any case for Vanderbilt be a better school will rest on selectivity. But any small school will be more selective by nature as small schools take less students. Selectivity and quality of the professors are not the same thing.
Any case for Vanderbilt be a better school will rest on selectivity. But any small school will be more selective by nature as small schools take less students. Selectivity and quality of the professors are not the same thing.
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:10 pm to Jamie Lannister
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What makes their degree so much better?
Numbers don't lie. Average salary coming out of school and long term is higher than any other SEC school. Granted, when you're paying out of pocket for your education, Vandy's value goes down. But when it's a free ride they're offering its a no-brainer.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:10 pm to Jamie Lannister
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i think people saying Vanderbilt is a better school than others is not supported by anything. It is just marketing.
Any case for Vanderbilt be a better school will rest on selectivity. But any small school will be more selective by nature as small schools take less students. Selectivity and quality of the professors are not the same thing.
Ah, okay. I think we've hit on your real problem here. This is an SEC sports board, so it's not the venue to discuss your issues with the nuances of reputation and the quantification of educational bona fides. I have no interest in convincing you of, well, anything vis-a-vis Vanderbilt's general academic credentials. I'm sure you can find another forum that will indulge you on that particular matter.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:12 pm to randomways
I don't care if you don't want to talk to me or not. No need to announce it. I just posted what I think.
I saw people on here talking up Vandy like it superior to every other school out there. But I know for a fact employers don't look at Vandy that way. It is a small alumni base. People in positions to hire other people likely did not go to Vanderbilt.
I saw people on here talking up Vandy like it superior to every other school out there. But I know for a fact employers don't look at Vandy that way. It is a small alumni base. People in positions to hire other people likely did not go to Vanderbilt.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:19 pm to Jamie Lannister
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I don't care if you don't want to talk to me or not. No need to announce it. I just posted what I think.
I saw people on here talking up Vandy like it superior to every other school out there. But I know for a fact employers don't look at Vandy that way. It is a small alumni base. People in positions to hire other people likely did not go to Vanderbilt.
You're the one who brought the issue up in the middle of a conversation (such as it is) here. Rather than just ignoring you, I was merely being polite and explaining that I wouldn't be continuing discussing this topic you cared enough about to insert into our dialogue.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:20 pm to randomways
no actually 3 people gushed over Vandy academics on this thread.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:23 pm to Jamie Lannister
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no actually 3 people gushed over Vandy academics on this thread.
As was their right. I didn't engage them on the topic either.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:24 pm to randomways
i never said they didn't have a right to gush.
My point is that my comments did not just come out of the blue.
My point is that my comments did not just come out of the blue.
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:32 pm to Jamie Lannister
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i never said they didn't have a right to gush.
My point is that my comments did not just come out of the blue.
In our conversation, they did. I wasn't talking to everyone, just you, and you were replying to me. In any event, this discussion is fruitless, so I've no interest in continuing it. Vaya con dios.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 10:20 pm to Jamie Lannister
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But I know for a fact employers don't look at Vandy that way. It is a small alumni base. People in positions to hire other people likely did not go to Vanderbilt.
Well, it is a smaller alumni base, I'll grant you that.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 11:54 pm to Jamie Lannister
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I always thought it was weird Vanderbilt was in the SEC. They were never going to be able to compete in football.
a) Dr Dudley, who created the conference, was a Kentucky guy that taught at Vanderbilt
b) Vanderbilt has at least a dozen conference championships and was the better football team in TN. Remember, in the early days of college football, the private schools dominated. The state schools did not rise till after WWII and the GI Bill.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:56 am to Cheese Grits
that is true, but it does seem like Vandy and Wake and Duke should move to a conference where they can compete in football on more consistent basis just so the fans have something to look forward to. Their football programs lose money. Duke doesn't care because they make so much money on basketball, more than most football programs.
I just noticed Vanderbilt has an engineering program so they are an elite school afterall.
I just noticed Vanderbilt has an engineering program so they are an elite school afterall.
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 8:58 am
Posted on 6/13/15 at 9:04 am to Jamie Lannister
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Vandy and Wake and Duke should move to a conference where they can compete in football on more consistent basis just so the fans have something to look forward to.
Conference membership is more than just football. Each school finds a niche in other things if football is not their best product. Vanderbilt has academics. They also shield the SEC as the only private school. Basketball (M & W) is a solid product in Nashville and their baseball team is picking up steam at the same time college baseball is growing as a televised sport.
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I just noticed Vanderbilt has an engineering program so they are an elite school afterall.
They are elite because one of their elite programs is turning out educators which is nice in todays world where this has been lessened at schools concentrating on sports and research.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 9:09 am to Cheese Grits
lol every college should have academics.
that is their whole reason for being.
I don't think an engineering or chemistry or microbiology student who graduates from Vandy knows these subjects better than any graduate of these programs at Clemson, Auburn, LSU, etc. A college can do research and teach at the same time.
Baseball is growing as televised sport? I'm skeptical.
baseball season is the worst season for this sports fan
that is their whole reason for being.
I don't think an engineering or chemistry or microbiology student who graduates from Vandy knows these subjects better than any graduate of these programs at Clemson, Auburn, LSU, etc. A college can do research and teach at the same time.
Baseball is growing as televised sport? I'm skeptical.
baseball season is the worst season for this sports fan
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 9:10 am
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