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Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:15 pm to Prof
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:15 pm to Prof
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Yes but they weren't always the only private school. Vandy stuck around while the others decided to move on.
I actually looked it up to see which ones were land grant and which ones weren't. All except Bama, Ole Miss, and USC are land grant, but it gets more complicated when ones like Auburn were formerly private religious institutions and transitioned to land grant. Interesting stuff, really.
Anyway, Vanderbilt was part of the robber baron support system, so it was always going to stay private because it was endowed by huge sums of money, much like Standord and Carnegie Mellon. The people endowing weren't about to let the government take over their vanity projects.
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:17 pm to Sancho Panza
Florida has Bright Futures. 
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:17 pm to Sancho Panza
That applies only to instate students; Bregman, Lange, Fraley, Chinea, etcetera don't get Tops.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:17 pm to bigDgator
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I always wondered how the Vanderbilt's and Miami's competed with the limited scholarships in baseball, and I knew they still had to comply with NCAA rules. Thanks for the info.
In all seriousness, you can allocate your schollies so long as it evens out in the end. At UT Women's Softball has something like 12 whereas Men's Baseball has something like 11.3. In fact, our women's softball team just lost a few players this offseason because they weren't on full scholly.
Maybe other schools are allocating schollies to different sports and spreading things thinner?
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:20 pm to Prof
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My parents were convinced they were over the line for any student assistance at UT and so paid out of pocket every semester so I wouldn't have an undergraduate debt. No way I was going to apply for Vandy let alone an Ivy when information was more limited. Even so, Vanderbilt really should advertise the fact that yes, $$$ are available to help. The Ivies now make it known but I haven't heard a peep to the general public regarding this and I bet a lot of parents and HS students would like to know.
They really should advertise that better, yeah. Or should have back in the day. I'm guessing you, like me, started college before the new millennium and the Internet/Google/interactive webpages really hit it big. Nowadays, you can find everything you need to know on the school's webpage. Back then? Not so much. I was lucky to be a legacy, so my parents knew stuff that wasn't in the packets the university sent out.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:22 pm to Ldrake53
quote:But it creates a lot more flexibility for those types of guys.
That applies only to instate students; Bregman, Lange, Fraley, Chinea, etcetera don't get Tops.
Louisiana, Georgia, and Florida schools all have big scholarship advantages because of merit programs.
This post was edited on 6/12/15 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:27 pm to bigDgator
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Thanks for the info.
You're welcome. Lots of misconceptions out there.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:28 pm to Prof
Rafe Rhymes was the SEC player of the Year, very deserving of scholarship;-when he saw Mainieri stressing about how to allocate scholarship allotments he said "Coach, money isn't an issue with my family; take my scholarship" . Pretty Cool.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:43 pm to randomways
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I actually looked it up to see which ones were land grant and which ones weren't. All except Bama, Ole Miss, and USC are land grant, but it gets more complicated when ones like Auburn were formerly private religious institutions and transitioned to land grant. Interesting stuff, really.
Anyway, Vanderbilt was part of the robber baron support system, so it was always going to stay private because it was endowed by huge sums of money, much like Standord and Carnegie Mellon. The people endowing weren't about to let the government take over their vanity projects.
Cool.
I know UT was established before the land grant program even existed. We're the oldest secular university this side of the Mississippi River and were founded in 1794 prior to statehood. It's interesting to note that a chunk of Tennessee, including Nashville wasn't a state and I don't think it was in the Southwest territory either (I'm not certain though as it may have been a fort at that time). Whereas UT is OLD and older than statehood (not too shabby considering we were the 16th state).
I've always thought it was cool that Thomas Jefferson was the one who recommended we relocate to the Hill when we needed to expand. I suppose it makes sense though sense we were secular and Tennessee in general started out as a very secular state that Franklin and Jefferson thought was the best example of it yet.
Oh and thanks very much for the info. on that. Can you tell I love history of all types?
This post was edited on 6/12/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:50 pm to Ldrake53
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Rafe Rhymes was the SEC player of the Year, very deserving of scholarship;-when he saw Mainieri stressing about how to allocate scholarship allotments he said "Coach, money isn't an issue with my family; take my scholarship" . Pretty Cool.
Go Rafe Rhymes! Ok I've made my choice: rooting for LSU! Y'all have always been one of my faves anyway.
As an aside: we take a lot of flak for our class size in football but we were able to do that because a few in-state students were ok paying their first semester. They'll be added to the next class as far as schollies go. That takes a real love of a school, imo.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:45 pm to randomways
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Auburn were formerly private religious institutions and transitioned to land grant.
UK is like that, they were private, were an A&M, went Morrill, now a state school.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:49 pm to lsuson
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Is Vanderbilt the only private university in the SEC?
2 others dropped out
Sewanee around WWII
Tulane in the 60's
georgia Tech was a public but without the feel of a full public. The most private public is still probably UVA and UM would be up there too.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:50 pm to Cheese Grits
Donny Everett turning down $2.5 mil to come play for the defending National Champs...feelsgoodman
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:56 pm to logjamming
You sound like the Vandy marketing department.
What makes their degree so much better?
I think large state public degrees are better because they have larger alumni base and alumni like to hire other alumni.
What makes their degree so much better?
I think large state public degrees are better because they have larger alumni base and alumni like to hire other alumni.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:57 pm to Jamie Lannister
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Vandy advantage
Lots of smart asian chicks
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What makes their degree so much better?
Paper is paper, but the value of the networking is what you are really getting.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:59 pm to Cheese Grits
i think networking ability is better with a large public state degree.
Vandy undergrad degree might impress a law school or med schol a little more but I don't think employers see it as better than a degree from large publics
Vandy undergrad degree might impress a law school or med schol a little more but I don't think employers see it as better than a degree from large publics
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:01 pm to Jamie Lannister
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i think networking ability is better with a large public state degree.
Keep thinking that.
Now name the last elected US president that was a product of a big state school?
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:02 pm to randomways
I always thought it was weird Vanderbilt was in the SEC. They were never going to be able to compete in football. Seems like they would prefer to be a conference with schools like Wake and Duke.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:03 pm to Cheese Grits
when is last time we had a good president?
getting elected and getting a job are two different things
getting elected and getting a job are two different things
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:38 pm to Jamie Lannister
Shhh. Just don't tell that to any of these talented baseball players that are dying to go to Vandy. It'll just be our little secret, ok?
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