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Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:03 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:03 pm to Irons Puppet
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The US News rankings are influential. Studies have found they impact both where students apply and where they actually attend. That strong influence may explain why colleges aren't always honest when they tell US News about themselves.
colleges aren't always honest when they tell the rankings about themselves
Since 2012, five colleges admitted to falsifying data they submitted to US News. These weren't one-off typos or brief ethical lapses. They were systemic campaigns of misinformation that lasted for years, mostly located at colleges that are generally well-known but aren't quite Ivy League caliber — the kind of place where rankings really matter.
Bucknell University (no. 32 on the US News list of national liberal arts colleges) admitted to submitting six years' worth of inflated SAT scores. For eight years, Claremont McKenna College (no. 9) inflated students' class rank and claimed the college rejected a higher proportion of applicants than it actually did. Emory University (no. 20 on the list of national universities) had been inflating the qualifications of its freshman class since at least 2000. George Washington University (no. 51) did the same for at least a decade.
"We have no reason to believe that other schools have misreported data," US News said in a blog post published after four of those instances were uncovered. College admissions officers themselves suspect the dishonesty is more widespread: 91 percent said in a survey conducted by Gallup and Inside Higher Ed that other colleges (although not their own, of course) were probably lying too.
Not sure why you are so upset about this - nobody here claimed the USNWR Rankings were some sort of end all be all. They're just one of about 13455465 college rankings systems that all pretty much mean nothing.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Not upset, just want everyone to know the entire story. I was not the OP.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
We moved up a spot.
Meanwhile, FSU dropped 4 spots.
Meanwhile, FSU dropped 4 spots.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:06 pm to Irons Puppet
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Not upset, just want everyone to know the entire story. I was not the OP.
Just go ahead and hit us with preferred ranking system that has Auburn 12th and Alabama 956th.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It's also worth noting that Florida, Missouri, Texas A&M, and Vanderbilt are AAU members.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Just go ahead and hit us with preferred ranking system that has Auburn 12th and Alabama 956th
What are you upset about ? Post didn't go as expected.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:11 pm to Irons Puppet
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What are you upset about ? Post didn't go as expected.
You realize not all posts have built in agendas, correct?
Some are just data points noticed and shared for the consumption of the group.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You realize not all posts have built in agendas, correct?
Some are just data points noticed and shared for the consumption of the group.
Academic rankings on a Sport Message Board. Gotcha
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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Academic rankings on a Sport Message Board. Gotcha
Yup - all Power 5 academic rankings. By conference. Averaged by conference.
Not Alabama & Auburn only.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Well the SEC is officially better than the BIG XII.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree - no mention of "Family Atmosphere" as a component of their ranking methodology.
All one has to do is google it and there are numerous articles describing just how the rankings are bullshite.
The only metric that matters is return on investment. USN&WR doesn't include it, instead they bump rankings by using all sorts of things that don't matter.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:22 pm to TxTiger82
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Well the SEC is officially better than the BIG XII.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:22 pm to cokebottleag
It reminds me of all the Tulane grads I know who are kankles deep in debt. I'm sure they feel great about their ranking
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:23 pm to cokebottleag
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All one has to do is google it and there are numerous articles describing just how the rankings are bull shite.
The only metric that matters is return on investment. USN&WR doesn't include it, instead they bump rankings by using all sorts of things that don't matter.
UAH - best school in Alabama
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
God, the state of Mississippi has some serious problems.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The counter to that would be some schools offer wide ranging majors and specialize or have very good programs in areas of study that may not inherently pay as high as others.
But I agree, in theory, overall, that is the best way to judge a school.
But I agree, in theory, overall, that is the best way to judge a school.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:26 pm to cokebottleag
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All one has to do is google it and there are numerous articles describing just how the rankings are bullshite.
The only metric that matters is return on investment. USN&WR doesn't include it, instead they bump rankings by using all sorts of things that don't matter.
And School Presidents and Administrators are using it as bullets on their performance records.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:26 pm to cokebottleag
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The only metric that matters is return on investment.
I disagree. The value of a quality educational environment over a mediocre to bad educational environment is palpable. And for some fields, you simply need that quality education or you're going nowhere (e.g., law).
The lucky folks are those who can get that educational quality without going private or without leaving their home state. The so-called "Public Ivies" are the best value colleges in the world for in-state students.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:27 pm to TeLeFaWx
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God, the state of Mississippi has some serious problems.
Racist
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:29 pm to Diddles
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It reminds me of all the Tulane grads I know who are kankles deep in debt. I'm sure they feel great about their ranking
I think Tulane keeps slipping due to post-Katrina after effects - like departed faculty, declining application rates, etc. They will probably fight their way back up, the question is how long will it take.
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