re: USN&WR College Rankings by Conference

AAU distinction has a bias against the deep south. It is ran by liberals.

Also Alabama is held at a disadvantage because AAU also looks at research as a big part of its distinction.

Most research in the Alabama system takes place at UAH(Engineering) and UAB(Medical). THe three schools share the same board of regents, chairman. But are still looked at as different schools.

I wonder that if UAH and UAB rebranded as University of Alabama - Hunstville Campus/Birmingham Campus that the overall profile could improve.

Also, a good measure on the Alabama v Auburn debate can be endowment size.

we should just average all the rankings together.

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AAU distinction has a bias against the deep south.

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Not UF.

SIDEWALK FANS DONT CARE BOUT NO ACADEMIC RANKINGS WHERES THE 247 RECRUITIN RANKINS PAWL IL HANG UP AND LISTEN ROW TAHD

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I disagree. The value of a quality educational environment over a mediocre to bad educational environment is palpable. And for some fields, you simply need that quality education or you're going nowhere (e.g., law).

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And how does one measure the value of that quality education? To murder a movie quote: You just spent $100,000 on an education you coulda got for a dolla fifty in late charges at the library.

The best and most fair way to measure education value is Return On Investment. If the college better prepares you for Law school or med school or whatever, then you should see graduates getting into and succeeding at post-graduate education more.

UF and ATM are not southern schools.

Im talking about the racist ones.

nb4JASPER,TX

I'm assuming my post will be preceded by pages of people who went to bad schools arguing over the metric. And maybe, just maybe, someone will take solace in the fact they are ranked higher than their in-state rival (even though the metric is "bullshite" and they should be ranked way higher). How'd I do?

F your rankings.

1st in Texas in student retention and graduation rates — overall and for minorities
1st in nation in "payback ratio" — what graduates earn compared to the cost of their college educations, Smart Money magazine
1st in Texas and 8th among public universities in New York Times survey of business leaders worldwide based on the top institutions from which they recruit, 2011
1st in Texas and 17th nationally as "best value" among public universities, Kiplinger, 2013
2nd in nation among universities based on "contribution to the public good," Washington Monthly, 2012
2nd in the nation among public universities in "great schools, great prices," U.S. News & World Report, 2012
2nd in nation for preparing graduates for the workforce, The Wall Street Journal
Top 10 in nation for return on investment, or what graduates earn in their careers compared to their college costs, PayScale
Top 10 in nation among public schools in earnings of alumni with 10-20 years of experience, Forbes
2nd in nation in a survey of top U.S. corporations, nonprofits and government agencies, based on graduates recruiters prefer to hire, The Wall Street Journal
4th among U.S. public universities and 10th overall with an endowment of more than $5 billion
4th nationally among public universities in affordability combined with high quality education and high return on investment, AffordableCollegesOnline.org, 2013

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And how does one measure the value of that quality education? To murder a movie quote: You just spent $100,000 on an education you coulda got for a dolla fifty in late charges at the library.

The best and most fair way to measure education value is Return On Investment. If the college better prepares you for Law school or med school or whatever, then you should see graduates getting into and succeeding at post-graduate education more.

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So there shouldn't be any teachers, nurses, communication majors, etc?

Somebody has to do that stuff, and their college costs are the same as the kid who gets a degree in chemical engineering or accounting.

So - like I said earlier - I agree in theory, but there are certain places that specialize in degrees that naturally pay more, and others that supply a larger variety because their mission is to supply the state with jobs in all sectors. That is naturally going to drag down their overall ROI.

I like this thread.