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re: Treon Harris - Confirmed charges withdrawn - Reinstated - but wont play saturday
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:15 pm to WDE24
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:15 pm to WDE24
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You may be too emotionally involved to follow the conversation at this point. Go back and re-read it with your thinking cap on and then we can continue.
You are not making any sense.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 3:16 pm
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Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:16 pm to slayerxing
I'm an enabler. It's fanatical football fans like me that enable players to get away with rape, battery, and theft.
I need to stop taking this sport so seriously. Rampant cheating, players intentionally injuring each other, and victims suddenly no longer pressing charges. The sport I love is turning into trash.
I need to stop taking this sport so seriously. Rampant cheating, players intentionally injuring each other, and victims suddenly no longer pressing charges. The sport I love is turning into trash.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:17 pm to joshnorris14
Yes I am, you just are reacting emotionally and thus misunderstanding. Re-read the posts with less emotion. If you still don't understand, come back and I will try to explain more fully.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:17 pm to The Spleen
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Such a thorny issue because you want to treat the accuser fairly in case her story is true, but then when they turn out to not be true, the damage to the accused is already done.
The counterpoint would be that the attorney signaled to the girl that she would be publicly scorned as a slut if she went forward with the accusation. That could be why he issued such a harsh statement. He may have had info she was wavering and figured if he pushed it, she'd fold.
I wouldn't take this as a foregone conclusion that nothing happened.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:20 pm to bgator85
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Does UF have some sort of super predicting power that I am not aware of and if so why didn't we use it to realize Muschamp is not a great head coach?
There are probably a few bodies buried near the student athlete dorms.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:25 pm to WDE24
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there was evidence of intercourse, which is an element of rape. The investigation was ongoing. I'm not saying the University should have suspended him from campus, but it wasn't an unreasonable action to the extent it was for a reasonable amount of time to determine the credibility of accusation and the threat posed by the accused.
My opinion is that the entire event was handled incorrectly. First, all people in the event should have been concealed until sufficient evidence was evaluated that the act had occurred, and then action should have been taken to protect the parties involved. This is a sensitive issue--one in which Equal Opportunity Advisors in the Military know how to handle--but obviously those in Academia could learn from if DEOMI could be consulted. There is also issue of a male being in a coed's room (or vice versa--if that is still a "rule") should have been addressed. I have known of students being dismissed from a college because of this (it happened at Mary Holmes College a few years ago). In addition, I find it interesting that parents cannot find out any information about what their students are doing in school (by FERPA) but the Media can blast all that info over the airwaves ad libitum...There is some face validity that is in question about this whole thing--we have a lesson here called "System vs. Victim Focus"--where the victim of an event is not always what we perceive it to be--one would think either (or both) could be the victim, while perhaps the one being the perpetrator is really the victim. This is why the matter should be thoroughly investigated internally before the media is given permission to vomit it out. The question is: Would LSU (or Les) have handled it to protect the player and/or victim or would the University have overridden the protection of students and others just for general purposes? I personally think both the young lady and Harris are the victim here--and, in a way, the "victim" has expanded to a lot more than just those immediately involved. Unfortunately, the ramifications of this event have far-reaching consequences--one, that real victims won't come forward because of undue pressure, and two, the innocent will always be linked to a "bad" event. My opinion--the system made the two victims through foul practices.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:27 pm to drdrfaulkner
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in a way, the "victim" has expanded to a lot more than just those immediately involved. Unfortunately, the ramifications of this event have far-reaching consequences--one, that real victims won't come forward because of undue pressure, and two, the innocent will always be linked to a "bad" event. My opinion--the system made the two victims through foul practices.
Best explanation I've seen yet. 100% agree.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:32 pm to drdrfaulkner
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First, all people in the event should have been concealed until sufficient evidence was evaluated that the act had occurred, and then action should have been taken to protect the parties involved.
quote:I'm not sure your understanding of FERPA is accurate and we have freedom of the press in this country, so there is no way to control the presses release of any of this information.
In addition, I find it interesting that parents cannot find out any information about what their students are doing in school (by FERPA) but the Media can blast all that info over the airwaves ad libitum..
Here, an accusation was made by a student against another student regarding a violent crime. There was evidence a sexual encounter took place and conflicting testimony as to the consensual nature of that encounter.
The school is stuck in the position of weighing the accused's due process rights with its obligation to provide a safe environment for its student body, especially the accuser. That general obligation of the university to its students is additionally heightened once it is on notice of the accusations.
Because it is often not immediately known how credible the accusation is and it takes time to develop that evidence, the school made the difficult decision to protect its larger student body and the accuser from the accused until it could be more fully investigated.
It is a tough call, but it is hard to blame the school for isolating the accused from the accuser and the other students in situations like this.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:33 pm to WDE24
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It is a tough call, but it is hard to blame the school for isolating the accused from the accuser and the other students in situations like this.
I agree with that. But does the school have to say it's because of an alleged sexual assault?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:35 pm to the808bass
quote:No, but it is likely the media is going to learn anyway, so best to control the message than react to whatever someone else puts out.
But does the school have to say it's because of an alleged sexual assault?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 3:43 pm to WDE24
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No, but it is likely the media is going to learn anyway, so best to control the message than react to whatever someone else puts out.
Probably. It might give you 24 hours of speculation during which you can begin an investigation. But it wouldn't be long the way the news moves these days.
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