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re: Tony Barnhart on Saban to Texas (and other stuff)
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:59 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:59 am to RollTide1987
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Is that why he took a pay cut to leave Miami and coach at Alabama?
He couldn't cut it in the NFL and bailed before they could fire him and his value diminished beyond repair. I would call that making a decision based on money. Idk why you gumps are so sensitive he isn't going anywhere. Bama will pay him whatever he demands.
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:01 am to AngryBeavers
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He's received a raise everywhere he has gone
Everyone remembers that Bama made him the highest paid coach in America at 4 million a year, but they tend to forget the million dollar pay CUT he took to leave the Dolphins.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:01 am to Big EZ Tiger
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Financially, nobody can touch Texas either. They are #1 there. I think LSU was the only other program in the SEC valued at over 100 million dollars and they are still about 30 million away from Texas.
Bama is slightly above LSU, however Texas is around 160 mil vs everyone else is below 110
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:02 am to sbrian3915
All I know is Saban started from the bottom now he here...He started from the bottom now his whole team is fricking here.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:05 am to Merck
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r, but they tend to forget the million dollar pay CUT he took to leave the Dolphins.
He had 13.5 million left on his contract at Miami, he signed a 32 million contract at Bama before bonuses. So pay cut is a really loose term
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:05 am to bamafan425
I have not read the article yet, nor have I read all the pages in this thread.
having aid that:
the ONLY reason Saban would go would be IF it is important to his ego / legacy to be the ONLY coach to ever win a Natty at 3 schools.
And Texas would be easier to win one with than Bama. The competition in the Big 12 ain't as tough. There is likely going to be only 1 school per conference in the playoffs.
In the SEC, AL is competing with: LSU, UGA, UF, SC & even aTm
In the Big 12, its OK and - who??
I know Saban can and maybe even will be able to dominate in the SEC, but does he want to be the guy that does it at 3 schools??
having aid that:
the ONLY reason Saban would go would be IF it is important to his ego / legacy to be the ONLY coach to ever win a Natty at 3 schools.
And Texas would be easier to win one with than Bama. The competition in the Big 12 ain't as tough. There is likely going to be only 1 school per conference in the playoffs.
In the SEC, AL is competing with: LSU, UGA, UF, SC & even aTm
In the Big 12, its OK and - who??
I know Saban can and maybe even will be able to dominate in the SEC, but does he want to be the guy that does it at 3 schools??
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:05 am to skrayper
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A.) He has enough money. How much more could he need?
B.) He's getting a bit old to jump jobs
C.) He's a control freak - having control > having money.
A.)Saban is an ultra-competitive person (I'm sure it's not only with football). Trust me, he wants more money if he can get it.
B.)There are some 93-year-old men that will jump ship from their 40-year Piggly Wiggly Supermarket bagging gig for a .25 cent raise at Winn Dixie. Some people just need the slightest incentive. But obviously, Saban ain't bagging groceries. He's bagging crystal footballs. But still, give a man an incentive...
C.) I think you may be right here. He's got what he wants and needs at Bama. Although, if Texas makes a run for him, why not offer complete control? It's working for Bama just fine.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:06 am to pvilleguru
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Alabama would match it.
And Texas would offer more. You don't want to get in a bidding war with UT. Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:07 am to RollTide1987
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Is that why he took a pay cut to leave Miami and coach at Alabama?
He couldn't win big at Miami. Winning matters to Saban.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:09 am to Big EZ Tiger
I think if he were to leave Alabama, that it would be for one more crack at the NFL.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:11 am to Forkbeard3777
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I think if he were to leave Alabama, that it would be for one more crack at the NFL.
I doubt he leaves for the NFL, unless someone throws a bank at him(over 15 mil a year or probably more) Personally I dont think he likes not being able to boss around the players. in the NFL, players > coach, and that probably doesnt sit too well with his ego
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:14 am to sbrian3915
You ARE aware that "master of his/your domain" existed as a phrase before Seinfeld, right?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:15 am to NYCAuburn
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Personally I dont think he likes not being able to boss around the players. in the NFL, players > coach, and that probably doesnt sit too well with his ego
Very true, but I don't think (honestly, what the hell do I know
) he likes "failing" at the NFL. I don't think Miami was the right gig for him. The New York Football Giants, Dallas Cowboys (if Jerry Jones gets the hell out of the way), Washington Redskins, New York Jets jobs open up...who knows? He may grab at the offer. Honestly, I think it'd be pretty cool if he went somewhere obscure and made them a powerhouse. Somewhere like Wyoming, New Mexico, Minnesota, etc.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 9:17 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:16 am to NYCAuburn
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Bama is slightly above LSU, however Texas is around 160 mil vs everyone else is below 110
I know there are a bunch of SEC teams that are really close to each other. I only put that based on a Forbes Magazine article that listed LSU as one of the most valuable college programs in the nation and tops in the SEC at just over 100 million. But I don't really know about all that stuff... I think Forbes looked at multiple things coming up with their list.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:18 am to Big EZ Tiger
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I know there are a bunch of SEC teams that are really close to each other.
big SEC teams are all around 85-105, I believe, then a drop after that
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:22 am to skrayper
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A.) He has enough money. How much more could he need?
Are you even American?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:24 am to sbrian3915
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quote: Is he serious? Texas is easily the best job in the country Only in the minds of Longhorn fans. Recruiting wise, Texas has to compete with Oklahoma and Texas A&M. More often than not over 100 years of history, Oklahoma has gotten the better of Bevo in Texas recruiting. Bud Wilkinson and Barry Switzer won a ton of championships with teams loaded with Texas talent. Now, not only does Bevo have to fight Oklahoma, but Texas A&M has that SEC thing going for it now. Plus, A&M is closer to East Texas where a lot of those athletes that make Texas a special football state are from. And, its closer to Houston.
Most accurate post in this thread.
Texas today isn't the Texas of 5 years ago. They have made some huge strategic errors that are hurting them now and will continue to hurt them in the future as well.
The LHN is a big problem. It requires 3 coaches shows per week and ridiculous access to the program that is a major distraction. It also puts 3 games a year on a network no one sees.
A&M in the SEC is a huge problem. The SEC is not just the best conference anymore, it is the dominant conference. Every year the perception of the SEC grows in stature and schools that aren't in the SEC are further discounted.
The Big 12 is the 5th best conference and won't be getting better. No one cares about the Big 12 anymore and the talent level continues to drop each year. The stadiums are small and the atmospheres are terrible. Outside of Texas and OU there is just nothing interesting about it.
Texas is the richest program today but the gap is narrowing. They are at about $160 mill but there are 4 SEC programs between $115-125 mill (Bama, UF, A&M, LSU). Once the SEC Network money kicks in that gap will shrink to almost nothing.
Texas has let their facilities slip. Here is their "renovated" weight room LINK. Look at Bama. Look at A&M. Look at LSU. They blow that thing away. Their gameday atmosphere sucks. They went too far in selling advertising to the point where their games make an NFL game. Ask some Ole Miss folks what they thought of the great atmosphere of DKR compared to any decent SEC school.
Anything CAN happen I suppose but Texas just isn't the #1 job anymore. It is maybe Top 5 now but it is falling. There are also at least 5 schools out there that can money whip Saban as hard as Texas can.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:26 am to Forkbeard3777
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Very true, but I don't think (honestly, what the hell do I know ) he likes "failing" at the NFL. I don't think Miami was the right gig for him. The New York Football Giants, Dallas Cowboys (if Jerry Jones gets the hell out of the way), Washington Redskins, New York Jets jobs open up...who knows? He may grab at the offer.
I use to downplay this idea a lot but it makes more sense as the years go by and Saban is more and more successful at Alabama. The NFL is literally the only unconquered frontier left and the only hole in his resume. Texas is the one college job under the right circumstances I could have seen him leave for but I just don't see it anymore. I do think after 3 or 4 more successful seasons at Alabama and maybe a year off from football I can see him taking an NFL coaching offer for obscene money and percentage of ownership like the Jets, etc. He doesn't like dealing with pro players but I think he's slowly mellowing out and by then will learn to adapt and deal with them. Just my opinion, then again he may simply let his career play out at Alabama and see how many titles he can win.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:32 am to NYCAuburn
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Financially, nobody can touch Texas either. They are #1 there. I think LSU was the only other program in the SEC valued at over 100 million dollars and they are still about 30 million away from Texas.
The 100 Million + club
1 Texas $163 M
2 Ohio State $142 M
3 Michigan $140 M
4 Alabama $125 M
5 Florida $121 M
6 Texas A&M $120 M
7 LSU $115 M
8 Penn State $108 M
9 Oklahoma $106 M
10 Auburn $106 M
11 Wisconsin $104 M
12 Tennessee $103 M
13 Florida State $100 M
14 Arkansas $100 M
Texas is currently #1 but :
a) The LHN deal is already in place and may fail (- 11 million per year - 4 M goes to IMG = 15 M total)
b) The Big 12 deal with FOX is already in place for at least the next decade (no new money)
SEC has several schools in the 100 million club and these numbers do not reflect the new media deal coming in 2014 with the release of SEC TV via ESPN. That should add at least 10 million per SEC school and could add 20 million per SEC school. Here is what the adjusted numbers might look like if the LHN fails and the SEC TV deal adds at least 10 million.
The 100 Million + club SEC (+10) and Texas (-11) only
Texas $152 M
Alabama $135 M
Florida $131 M
Texas A&M $130 M
LSU $125 M
Auburn $116 M
Tennessee $113 M
Arkansas $110 M
The 100 Million + club SEC (+20) and Texas (-11) only
Texas $152 M
Alabama $145 M
Florida $141 M
Texas A&M $140 M
LSU $135 M
Auburn $126 M
Tennessee $123 M
Arkansas $120 M
Note, this does not reflect additional revenue from schools adding seats like LSU and Texas A&M. This also do not include a Vol program with a positive win spin (Vols already have added capacity if they start winning again).
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:33 am to Nissanmaxima
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This is quite true. I am one that still believes that Texas is a better job than Alabama. Although it maybe be slight, better never the less.
I think the real question is in what ways is Bama better than Texas. Today, Bama has given Saban almost 100% control over the football program with almost no interference. Now 10 years ago, you couldn't say that. Just like at Texas, you can't say that. You have billionaire boosters who basically run that program (one of which is Brown's personal lawyer). You also have the LHN which requires time and attention by the HC. Also at Bama, a successful HC it put up on a pedestal a lot more than the HC at Texas. As others have stated, Texas has the Cowboys and other pro teams. Plus winning NCs at Bama gets you talked about for generation to come within in the state, and by the college football world overall much more than winning one at Texas. Alabama is still a bigger football power from a tradition/historical standpoint.
Now Texas has more money coming into the program, but Bama is still in the top 3 or 5 of revenue coming into the program. Texas might be able to more easily afford to pay a coach $10 mil, but Bama could do it if they absolutely had to (although I'll believe both programs are actually willing to do it when I see it). Now if Texas wants to pay him $15 or $20 mil a year, then I think Bama would be out of the running (but who in their right minds thinks Texas would go that far?). And Texas is the biggest name in one of the top 3 recruiting areas of the country. But with that said, it's not like Bama isn't in a prime location for recruiting either. There are very good athletes in Alabama, and it is strategically situated close enough to the states of Florida, Georgia, and the majority of the rest of the Southeastern recruiting areas. Saban is still able to pull in the top recruiting class year in and year out at Alabama. Saban might more easily be able to bring in top recruiting classes at Texas, but it's not like he currently isn't able to do it right now at Bama.
I think from Saban's viewpoint, not having to worry about boosters and a tv network constantly bothering him means a lot more to him than having an little easier time recruiting. I definitely don't see money being an issue unless Texas wants to be the first program to offer a coach $15 mil a year.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 9:37 am
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