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Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:12 am to Old Sarge
good luck to BKPosted on 3/21/16 at 9:20 am to Roger Klarvin
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Roger Klarvin
You don't seem to be quite as hostile as you normally are. Did something happen?
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:22 am to Masterag
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There is literally NO contemporary evidence that Jesus existed, any real historian can tell you that.
This is 100% true.
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There is 1000000000x more evidence Jesus was here than there is evidence of evolution
I disagree, Sarge. The mutation of cold and flu viruses alone is pretty substantial evidence that species evolve.
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I don't know. But how does a story about an angry, childish god that plays tricks on humans, commit horrible atrocities, and save rich people from cancer and help Aggies win basketball games while he lets poor people starve seem somehow more believable?
That's what happens when people start telling other people what "God" wants or how we should be. Nobody would know what "God" commands or how "God" behaves except those who are trying to exploit others.
No man, dead or living, will tell me what "God" wants from me.
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And if you can say where did it all come from, you have to ask "where did God come from?" An all knowing, all powerful being has just somehow existed for all eternity for no reason. Yeah. right.
All I am saying is that human existence is so impossible that there must be something. There is way too much organization for me to unequivocally declare "there is no god." Only a fool would do that.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:26 am to Roger Klarvin
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The overwhelming majority (like 95%) of historians agree Jesus or someone whom the Jesus character represents existed.
What he is saying is that there is no contemporary writings that mention Jesus. Every book of the new testament was written many years after Jesus (allegedly) lived. That makes it suspicious. Doesn't make it untrue. Just suspicious. Masterag is reading way too much into the non-contemporary angle.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:28 am to KaiserSoze99
There are hundreds of thousands of contemporary writings and books on the existence of Jesus. Do you even bookstore?
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:28 am to Old Sarge
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:28 am to KaiserSoze99
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There is way too much organization for me to unequivocally declare "there is no god."
i've never said there is no god. however, something must have always existed, or for some reason(spontaneously?) become the first thing to exist. We could be an alien child's science experiment for all I know.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:33 am to Old Sarge
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There are hundreds of thousands of contemporary writings and books on the existence of Jesus. Do you even bookstore?
No.
Okay, let me back up.
There is no record during Jesus' time that talks about him. There are records contemporary with Jesus' time, but none of them mention Jesus. Make sense?
That brings forward the suspicion that somebody just made up the whole Jesus story. Doesn't mean Jesus was not real, just that it is suspicious that this guy was so well known, and performed IMPOSSIBLE miracles of raising the dead and walking on water, but nobody during that time who saw or heard about this, bothered to write it down until many years later. That's all.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:34 am to Masterag
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i've never said there is no god. however, something must have always existed, or for some reason(spontaneously?) become the first thing to exist. We could be an alien child's science experiment for all I know.
You and I are a lot more alike than I thought.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:41 am to KaiserSoze99
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There is no record during Jesus' time that talks about him. There are records contemporary with Jesus' time, but none of them mention Jesus. Make sense
There are many books written about Jesus from His period of time, one even written by a doctor and another by a famous Roman/Jewish politician
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:50 am to Old Sarge
I'm sure God is very excited about your bball game. He is sleeping off a massive hangover from all the partying he did. He actually missed work today, but he called in and said God said it was ok
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:01 am to Old Sarge
I am interested in checking into that. Who was it? What did they write?
I only follow the evidence. I have no agenda. If I am wrong, I will admit it.
I only follow the evidence. I have no agenda. If I am wrong, I will admit it.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:06 am to KaiserSoze99
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There is no record during Jesus' time that talks about him. There are records contemporary with Jesus' time, but none of them mention Jesus. Make sense?
This is false. Every "SERIOUS" historian admits there was a man named Jesus that lived during that time period. There are numerous non Christian records of Jesus from the late 1st to 5th century.
Thallus 52 AD
Tacitus 56-120 AD
Mara Bar-Serapion 70 AD
Phlegon 80-140 AD
Phliny the Younger 61-113 AD (Roman)
Suetonius 69-140 AD
Lucian of Samosata 115-200 AD
Celsus 175 AD
The Toledot Yeshu 1000 AD
Just to name a few non Christian historic records that also recorded Jesus. These accounts are very hostile towards Christians and they do not believe he was the son of God. But they support the fact that Jesus did exist.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:07 am to Old Sarge
He knows it was all on the big guy 
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:11 am to KaiserSoze99
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That brings forward the suspicion that somebody just made up the whole Jesus story. Doesn't mean Jesus was not real, just that it is suspicious that this guy was so well known, and performed IMPOSSIBLE miracles of raising the dead and walking on water, but nobody during that time who saw or heard about this, bothered to write it down until many years later. That's all.
4 gospels wrote everything down. They interviewed hundreds of eye witnesses.
Kaiser, you have a lot of doubts on Jesus himself even being real person in history. Sounds like this Athetist in this video. Watch this when you get a chance. This guy did a ton of research on Jesus. It is an easy video to listen to in the car too.
LINK
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 10:13 am
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:25 am to ctiger69
Lee Strobel is low IQ apologetics for the unquestioning masses. His books and talks are all presuppositional circular reasoning. There are far better Christtian apologists and theologians out there for people seeking true depth on the topic.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:31 am to ctiger69
I would recommend Marcus Borg, he died this past year but he was one of the best since Lewis IMO.
Christian apologetics as a whole has really declined in America with the rise of evangelicalism. It's just a very theologically shallow brand of Christianity compared to Catholicism and high Protestanism, especially with its focus on Biblical literalism.
Christian apologetics as a whole has really declined in America with the rise of evangelicalism. It's just a very theologically shallow brand of Christianity compared to Catholicism and high Protestanism, especially with its focus on Biblical literalism.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:35 am to Roger Klarvin
The whole point of the OP was to kennedys lack of self
God haters ruin everything
kennedys lack of self God haters ruin everything
Posted on 3/21/16 at 10:38 am to Old Sarge
I agree in as much as I don't understand why some atheists seem to hate an entity they claim to not believe in. I'm as incapable of hating God as I am the Aliens from Independence Day.
IMO it speaks to an insecurity within them, trying to convince themselves of something they still struggle with.
IMO it speaks to an insecurity within them, trying to convince themselves of something they still struggle with.
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