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re: Thoughts on Vols claiming 1956 National Title?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:54 am to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:54 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:Notice my post on page 3. I posted that the Tennessee 1951 title was legit; the same as Alabama's 1964 title. The AP/UPI choose champions before the bowl games.
Since Tennessee's one loss was in the Sugar Bowl after the polls declared their champion, then I guess we can take away from this that you believe Alabama's 1964 and 1973 titles are bogus.
I pointed out that Tennessee, as well as some other schools, can't criticize Alabama when some of their titles are won the same way.
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Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:58 am to jatebe
I was addressing the particular Alabama poster who scrutinized Tennessee's titles. Certainly in the era they were awarded the 1964 and 1973 titles for Alabama are legitimate.
again,my post was directed toward one poster.
again,my post was directed toward one poster.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:02 am to I-59 Tiger
Is he a Bama fan? For some reason I always thought he was a Georgia fan.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:07 am to GeauxToBed
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Bama would.
Good reason not to.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:08 am to jatebe
Taken from the NCAA site
Alabama 13
LSU 4
Florida 3
Tennessee, Auburn, Texas A&M 2
Georgia, Ole Miss, Arkansas 1
Alabama 13
LSU 4
Florida 3
Tennessee, Auburn, Texas A&M 2
Georgia, Ole Miss, Arkansas 1
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:14 am to GeorgeReymond
I've been a proponent of giving the FWAA its due prior to 1968 when the AP first went to its current system of waiting until after the bowls. With that said, how they could award Iowa the 1958 title and Ohio State with a share of the 1961 title just blows my mind. Cannot imagine what went into their decision.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:24 am to GeorgeReymond
The way I like to look at it since there are so many different viewpoints:
Team with the most AP national championships: Alabama
Team with the most Coaches national championships: Alabama
Team with the most BCS national championships: Alabama
*Have to start working on the next era of college football: the "playoff." As history has shown us (see above) Alabama should ultimately win the most of those as well.
**Prior to the AP and then Coaches poll, it was a bit of a free for all and the term "national champion" didn't mean quite as much as it came to mean later. Still, those undefeated Alabama Rose Bowl teams from the 20s and 30s representing the South/East against the West in college football's interstate showcase game certainly deserve some recognition.
***1941 claim is just bad.
Team with the most AP national championships: Alabama
Team with the most Coaches national championships: Alabama
Team with the most BCS national championships: Alabama
*Have to start working on the next era of college football: the "playoff." As history has shown us (see above) Alabama should ultimately win the most of those as well.
**Prior to the AP and then Coaches poll, it was a bit of a free for all and the term "national champion" didn't mean quite as much as it came to mean later. Still, those undefeated Alabama Rose Bowl teams from the 20s and 30s representing the South/East against the West in college football's interstate showcase game certainly deserve some recognition.
***1941 claim is just bad.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:23 am to GeorgeReymond
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Taken from the NCAA site
Alabama 13
LSU 4
Florida 3
Tennessee, Auburn, Texas A&M 2
Georgia, Ole Miss, Arkansas 1
You can get more than one count from the NCAA site, FWIW. This is the least credible.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:25 am to elposter
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re: Thoughts on Vols claiming 1956 National Title?(Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:24 am to GeorgeReymond)
The way I like to look at it since there are so many different viewpoints:
Team with the most AP national championships: Alabama
Team with the most Coaches national championships: Alabama
Team with the most BCS national championships: Alabama
The team with the most titles in the NCAA Record Book (THE acknowledged authority by both Alabama and Notre Dame): Notre Dame
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:37 am to boxedlunch
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The team with the most titles in the NCAA Record Book (THE acknowledged authority by both Alabama and Notre Dame): Notre Dame
NCAA doesn't award titles - AP, Coach's Poll, and BCS do. You just admitted that the NCAA is all over the place with the number of "recognized" national titles. The facts I posted above re: AP titles, Coach's titles, and BCS titles are indisputable.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:38 am to elposter
There's no point in debating him. He's "studied" this kind of stuff. 
Posted on 5/12/15 at 10:57 am to boxedlunch
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By the 1935, the Rissman trophy had ceased to be for the national championship and instead went to the Rose Bowl winner.
So why did Minnesota, and not Alabama, win the Rissman Trophy after the 1935 Rose Bowl? Also...if the Rissman Trophy went to the Rose Bowl winner, then how come SMU is listed as the 1936 Rissman Trophy winner even though Stanford beat them in the Rose Bowl at the end of that season?
Alabama received a permanent Rissman Trophy after the 1935 Rose Bowl because it was the third time the Tide had won in the Rose Bowl. The actual Rissman Trophy, however, went to the Gophers that season.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:09 pm to elposter
What in the world are you talking about? Did you mean to respond to me?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:13 pm to RollTide1987
My guess is you're "studying" the wrong thing. Aren't you the one that said the FWAA was always post-bowl?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:30 pm to Serraneaux
Well according to the Bama frat star that tried to start shite with me at a bar after the 1/9 debacle, they have 14 crystal balls. So go for it.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:36 pm to boxedlunch
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Aren't you the one that said the FWAA was always post-bowl?
I did. And after a little wikipedia research, you were able to come right back here and tell me I was incorrect. Well done. Still doesn't change the fact FWAA is a distant third to AP/UPI.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:39 pm to boxedlunch
I can certainly understand the jealousy of the rest of the SEC over Bama's great Rose Bowl wins and deserved NC claims. It's because the entire SEC has but 6 RB wins with Bama having 4 of those. Georgia and Ga.Tech having the other two with one each. Naturally, with the epic fail of the rest of y'all, it's understandable that you want to disregard Bama carrying the SEC's water as usual.
Hell, 10RC went to two RB's and has not scored a single point yet, much less won a game.
All you under-achievers and non-achievers should be proud of Bama's epic achievements instead of being so damn jealous.
Let's face it, without Bama, the SEC is pretty damn ordinary.
Hell, 10RC went to two RB's and has not scored a single point yet, much less won a game.
All you under-achievers and non-achievers should be proud of Bama's epic achievements instead of being so damn jealous.
Let's face it, without Bama, the SEC is pretty damn ordinary.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:51 pm to RollTide1987
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I did. And after a little wikipedia research, you were able to come right back here and tell me I was incorrect. Well done. Still doesn't change the fact FWAA is a distant third to AP/UPI.
That fact that you think it's not possible to know a common fact like that off the top of your head tells me you know jack about this. Thanks for playing.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:54 pm to I-59 Tiger
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again,my post was directed toward one poster.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:02 pm to RollTide1987
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So why did Minnesota, and not Alabama, win the Rissman Trophy after the 1935 Rose Bowl? Also...if the Rissman Trophy went to the Rose Bowl winner, then how come SMU is listed as the 1936 Rissman Trophy winner even though Stanford beat them in the Rose Bowl at the end of that season?
Alabama received a permanent Rissman Trophy after the 1935 Rose Bowl because it was the third time the Tide had won in the Rose Bowl. The actual Rissman Trophy, however, went to the Gophers that season.
The problem when you get all your information from internet searches is you make gaffs like this.
The original Rissman trophy was awarded to the winner of the Dickinson System. After Notre Dame won the Rissman for the third time, they were granted the trophy permanently. When the trophy was retired, Dickinson started giving you the "Knute Rockne Trophy", leaving the Rissman name behind.
Rissman then sponsored another trophy named The "Jack F. Rissman Rose Bowl trophy", named such because it went to the winner of the Rose Bowl. Alabama received it after the 1935 Rose Bowl because they won the Rose Bowl. Whether they kept it after that year or not goes beyond my field of study.
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