re: The Ole Miss investigation is HOT this morning local radio

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I'd recommend venturing out and reading something besides recruiting tactics of Ole Miss written by some trashy guy with a ponytail. Being knowledgeable about things like real estate, investing, etc.. might actually be more lucrative than knowing about Ole Miss football, could be wrong though. I feel pretty confident in saying grown men who are reading that book and getting off to a guy like Steve Robertson, aren't coming home to a woman

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Everything in that reply is 100% Ole Miss. "We are richer than you, real estate and investments."

"Steve Robertson is a trashy guy" , the typical Ole Miss character attacks.

I have a hot wife thank you very much. I must confess I married up. I'm financially secure. Unlike you I don't feel a need to brag about it. It's what Ole Miss people do, not me. Perhaps I could teach YOU about real estate and investing, hmm? Maybe that's why I have more time to read Steve's book than what you are reading and trying to learn.

I'll still play golf with you though. You can meet my hot wife and introduce me to your escort.

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We are richer than you, real estate and investments

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Man I don't really see that getting thrown around a lot on here by OM fans.

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"Steve Robertson is a trashy guy"

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Do you dispute this? Arm sleeve tats when coupled with a male pony tail and "go tee" are a sure fire recipe for southern trash. The recipe is proven.


Vecch... Some people just lump you in with the rest of the maroons. I enjoy your shite though

are you calling Jimmy Herring white trash? F you man.

Jimmy Herring is missing the all important sleeve tat component... How dare you throw Jimmy into this you frickwad. Have you no decency or respect?

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An actual law suit has to have actual evidence. Phone calls are not that. Though proving defamation is incredibly tough so I have no idea if RR has enough evidence to win that suit. As far as the ncaa goes, you have to prove your innocence without a shadow of a doubt and that many phone calls makes that hard.

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Supposedly the reason for Warren's lawsuit is because he says if he gets disassociated from Ole Miss, then his business will close it's doors. Now that we see that he heavily communicated with the Asst Athletic Director during and around specific recruiting visits, I'd think most OM fans would agree that he needs to be disassociated. Terry Warren/Rebel Rags is not innocent and looks like Barney had his go to man in place to provide the recruits with some free swag while they were on campus.

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Over priced pieces of shite that I wouldn't be caught dead in.

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Uh... ok. Wrong. But Ok.

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An actual law suit has to have actual evidence. Phone calls are not that.

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Phone calls are absolutely evidence. In this situation, they're not prima facie evidence that RR gave merchandise but they can be used to corroborate the claim. You've got the claims of multiple recruits, you've got phone records that show a LOT of contact between OM staff and RR at the same time of the recruit's claims, you've got video of the merchandise with a RR business card which includes a handwritten name and phone number of a RR employee. Taken together, that's compelling evidence to support the claims.

Remember, the standard in a civil case isn't beyond a reasonable doubt. It's preponderance of the evidence so
RR will need some way to counter the weight of that evidence. They'll likely need to produce sales receipts for something other than a cash sale (so it has a name tied to it) and video of the items being purchased.

They'll have to do that JUST to get the balance sheet to even. Then to win their suit, they'll have to go beyond and prove that they suffered actual damages - which means they'll have to open the books and show their business results. I really doubt he's suffered any loss at this point and I don't think he can sue now for what might happen in the future.

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Supposedly the reason for Warren's lawsuit is because he says if he gets disassociated from Ole Miss, then his business will close it's doors.

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This would make a lot of sense if it were true, but it isn't. Being disassociated only means that he can't do things like hold season tickets, have on-campus promotional events, or do things like get sideline passes. It doesn't prevent him from selling officially licensed merchandise.

The guy that owns T-Town menswear got disassociated and his business continues to rock on just fine.

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They'll have to do that JUST to get the balance sheet to even. Then to win their suit, they'll have to go beyond and prove that they suffered actual damages - which means they'll have to open the books and show their business results. I really doubt he's suffered any loss at this point and I don't think he can sue now for what might happen in the future.

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Agreed with your entire post with one exception. Just showing loss doesn't tilt case in his favor. A loss could be explained by lower demand for his products based on the on-field results, the coaching change (which OM is saying ISN'T NCAA related), the poor recruiting class this year which fans may feel is a sign of things to come, as well as factors in the NCAA investigation that have zero to do with RR.

I think it is a brutally difficult case for Warren to win, and it makes me question why he even filed the suit. I don't think his motives are victory driven. There's some other factor driving it in my opinion.

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JustGetItRight

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your thoughts?

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Agreed with your entire post with one exception. Just showing loss doesn't tilt case in his favor. A loss could be explained by lower demand for his products based on the on-field results, the coaching change (which OM is saying ISN'T NCAA related), the poor recruiting class this year which fans may feel is a sign of things to come, as well as factors in the NCAA investigation that have zero to do with RR.

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You're correct about that he'd also need to show that the loss was tied to the actions of the defendant. I just figured my post was already too long so I cut it off.

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I think it is a brutally difficult case for Warren to win, and it makes me question why he even filed the suit. I don't think his motives are victory driven. There's some other factor driving it in my opinion.

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I think it is a virtually impossible case for him to win and I completely agree that his motive isn't winning the case. Just guessing here, but taking the evidence that's been presented in the NCAA response to OM at face value then he's been a part of the network and the most likely motive is to help the OM NCAA case. The Leo Lewis allegations are the most damning by far. Since the thought of getting sued terrifies most people, it isn't a stretch at all to think that they could intimidate Lewis into changing his testimony and thus discredit all his claims. It isn't a bad strategy. Immoral as crap, but that aside from the OM standpoint there's not a lot to lose. At worst, even if it fails and he sticks to his story they're at the same place they were the day before the suit was filed.

What really bent them over was Houston Nutt. Without his suit, Freeze is the coach and the entire OM defense team is still intact and singing from the same hymnal where the first verse of "Barney was rogue", a second verse of "Leo is a liar", and a chorus of "Hugh is a saint".

With Hugh gone, it is going to probably turn into every man for himself. If the committee asks a lot of questions, the hearing could get really interesting. Too bad it is closed to the public.

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I think its pretty clear here that Hugh Freeze didn't bring this type of cheating to Ole Miss, Ole Miss pursues minions that will continue their cheating culture. Ole Miss used Houston Nutt as a scapegoat when they were caught, except Nutt hit back. It seems likely that this type of unethical behavior is from the top down and has probably been going on for decades.

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I will take that a step further and say that I think the athletic department and boosters took advantage of Huge Freeze's inexperience as a head coach. No one questions his knowledge of X's and O's, but he lacked experience running a program where protections must be in place to prevent these things from happening. Personally I do not how the AD is getting through all of this unscathed. As a Miss State fan, I hope he is around for years to come.