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re: The idea that the SEC cannot be a good basketball league is ridiculous
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:38 pm to Team Vote
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:38 pm to Team Vote
i think it just stems from the fact that football became so dominant that schools put everything into the football arms race. it did unbelievable things for the football programs of the SEC, but it left the basketball programs on an island with just no resources or interest which led to shite coaches, shite facilities, shite OOC scheduling, and just shite fan support. i think as a conference our athletic programs are finally looking at how we are only getting 3 teams a year into the tournament and are coming to the realization that we need to fix this
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:40 pm to WestCoastAg
The SEC Network was the best thing to ever happen to SEC basketball. It made them realize that for that to truly thrive they would need to improve basketball across the board.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:41 pm to RTR America
yep
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:42 pm to anc
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The factor that I am talking about is that the Mario Austins and Erick Dampiers aren't there anymore. Superstar from some small high school in the middle of nowhere. The sports focused schools (IMG, Oak Hill, 22 ft) are getting the elite talent. At the smaller schools, the athletes aren't playing hoops anymore.
I dunno, maybe. I just think it comes in cycles.
Alabama has had some years where this isn't a Power 5 level starter in the entire state. Then there are years like 2017 with 4-5 of the top 60 kids in the country.
#1 - Austin Wiley Petty (5-star, 18th overall)
#2 - John Petty (5-star, 23rd overall)
#3 - Alex Reese (4-star, 35th overall)
#4 - Herb Jones (4-star, 42nd overall)
#5 - Jamal Johnson (4-star, 61st overall)
#6 - Garrison Brooks (4-star, 126th overall)
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
the SEC will need to recruit texas and atlanta better. there is TONS of talent in the state of texas that goes under the radar. just like in football, you cant throw a rock without hitting a recruitable kid
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:46 pm to WestCoastAg
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the SEC will need to recruit texas and atlanta better. there is TONS of talent in the state of texas that goes under the radar. just like in football, you cant throw a rock without hitting a recruitable kid
Yep - Atlanta is the same way. Guys on local radio were discussing Georgia Tech the other day and how their 2 games in the ACC Tournament they got lit up by kids who grew up and went to high school 20 minutes from campus (Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson, 18.7 ppg, Alpharetta and Malcolm Brogdon, Virginia, ACC POTY, 18.7 ppg, Greater Atlanta Christian).
There are Metro Atlanta and Texas kids all over the country.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:48 pm to Team Vote
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when you have one team dominating the conference.
We will see what happens as time passes with Donovan gone, but they didn't dominate the conference when he was in the league. This is Cal's 7th year, in the 6 that overlapped with Donovan, UF won 3 SEC titles and UK won the other 3. UF was the first school to go 18-0 in SEC in the regular season during this stretch.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:52 pm to bgator85
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UF was the first school to go 18-0 in SEC in the regular season.
Tubby went undefeated in conference over a decade ago
Posted on 3/16/16 at 4:56 pm to RTR America
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Tubby went undefeated in conference over a decade ago
Sure, he went 16-0. This was the first undefeated season with the expanded 18 game SEC schedule. My point was simply that UK didn't dominate the conference, UF was a factor in the SEC as well.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:04 pm to bgator85
And then Kentucky immediately followed that season by going 18-0 in the SEC ourselves.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I remember when Bama was consistently quite good in men's basketball. Heck, in '76 we came the closest to beating that undefeated, eventual NC Indiana team in the tourney than anybody else did.
Except for a couple of spikes of success in the Gottfried years, we've just been meh.
Except for a couple of spikes of success in the Gottfried years, we've just been meh.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:08 pm to anc
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The factor that I am talking about is that the Mario Austins and Erick Dampiers aren't there anymore. Superstar from some small high school in the middle of nowhere. The sports focused schools (IMG, Oak Hill, 22 ft) are getting the elite talent. At the smaller schools, the athletes aren't playing hoops anymore.
Is it the athletes or something that's happened at the high school level in terms if coaching/development of skills or simply top players moving to academies?
I really know nothing about it but it's curious that
a program like Alabama used to have a couple of (at very least borderline) NBA talented big men from in-state or Mississippi on their roster every single season for decades until recently, where now there's mainly "projects".
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:14 pm to wm72
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Is it the athletes or something that's happened at the high school level in terms if coaching/development of skills or simply top players moving to academies? I really know nothing about it but it's curious that a program like Alabama used to have a couple of (at very least borderline) NBA talented big men from in-state or Mississippi on their roster every single season for decades until recently, where now there's mainly "projects".
From what I have gathered the high school and youth basketball coaching in the South has really gotten awful the last 20 years. Kids don't develop at all.
Perfect examples are Devonta Pollard and Jimmy Taylor. Both kids were tall and long and came to college with zero skillset and zero post game on offense to the extent that it would have taken a great, great, great post coach 4 full years to teach them how to be competent offensive threats. You don't expect them to show up with an array of post moves, but they clearly were just tall and told to go block shots and dunk their entire youth careers.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:18 pm to Sid E Walker
"Except for a couple of spikes of success during the Gottfried years, Alabama has been meh"
Ummmm...think you may be forgetting someone? Wimp led Bama to 11 NCAA tournaments in 14 years including six Sweet 16 appearances. Hobbs even managed a couple of NCAA tourneys in his short coaching stint.
As for the OP, couldn't agree more. The SEC was a very good basketball conference with a lot of eventual NBA players through much of the 80s and 90s.
Ummmm...think you may be forgetting someone? Wimp led Bama to 11 NCAA tournaments in 14 years including six Sweet 16 appearances. Hobbs even managed a couple of NCAA tourneys in his short coaching stint.
As for the OP, couldn't agree more. The SEC was a very good basketball conference with a lot of eventual NBA players through much of the 80s and 90s.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It makes absolutely no sense that we suck in general. It's definitely not a lack of athletes
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:20 pm to Sid E Walker
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Except for a couple of spikes of success in the Gottfried years, we've just been meh.
Since 1972 (44 years)
- Alabama has had a 60%+ winning percentage 30 of 44 years
- Alabama has had a 70%+ winning percentage 13 of 44 years
- Alabama has won 20+ games 25 of 44 years
- Alabama has won 18+ games 34 of 44 years
- Alabama has had a winning record in 41 of 44 years
- Our 3 losing seasons since 1972 are :
* 1988 (14-17) Wimp's 8th year, went 28-5 year before and 23-8 year after
* 1998 (15-16) Hobbs' 6th year, he was fired for it
* 2014 (13-19) Grant's 5th year, he was fired 2 years later with this as the cornerstone of the reason why
We aren't Kentucky, but 75% of years we are somewhere around the NCAAT bubble or better, and we almost never have abysmal teams (which is why what Grant did his 2nd to last year was such a fireable offense in Year 5).
We were very good in the 1970s, 1980s and 2000s. We were average in the 1990s (and fired a coach for it) and have been average in the 2010s so far (and fired 2 coaches for it).
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:26 pm to Shakita Bonita
quote:Always been my take. Gotta quit letting these guys go to school in the ACC
It makes absolutely no sense that we suck in general. It's definitely not a lack of athletes
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Alabama often has good talent and might very well be on the upswing with Avery.
We are struggling to get consistency, but this is a fan base and school that expects to be a solid program. There are a ton of schools in this league that don't care about bball, we are not one of them.
We are struggling to get consistency, but this is a fan base and school that expects to be a solid program. There are a ton of schools in this league that don't care about bball, we are not one of them.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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From what I have gathered the high school and youth basketball coaching in the South has really gotten awful the last 20 years. Kids don't develop at all.
Perfect examples are Devonta Pollard and Jimmy Taylor.
Yeah, that's seems like it's probably true about high school and youth basketball coaching in the South and probably the root of the SEC's issues more than anything.
There's certainly a world of difference in these guys that are 6'10 and athletic but arrive looking like they've hardly ever played an organized basketball game to guys that were a bit "rough around the edges" but still skilled and ready to play like an Antonio McDyess.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:30 pm to Govt Tide
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Ummmm...think you may be forgetting someone? Wimp led Bama to 11 NCAA tournaments in 14 years including six Sweet 16 appearances. Hobbs even managed a couple of NCAA tourneys in his short coaching stint.
I guess that I wasn't as clear in my post as I meant to be. We've only had a couple of spikes since we hired David Hobbs as our HC. Wimp was fantastic.
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