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re: The great DB debate: LSU vs Ole Miss
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:46 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:46 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Oh, and UF has the most DBs in the NFL currently
False. UF has 8 in the league. Alabama has 10.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:46 pm to GeauxPack81
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Did you create your own set of metrics? DB havoc rate would be interesting to see
Ha no way, not nearly smart enough to do that. These are from S&P on footballoutsiders.
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Havoc rate is a pretty simple method for looking at how much hell a defense is raising. Add up tackles for loss (which includes sacks), forced fumbles, and defensed passes (picks and break-ups), divide it by total plays, and voila: havoc rate. The national havoc average in 2013 was 15.9 percent.
They have it measured by Front 7 and DBs, which clearly generally measure different things - TFL, Sacks, tips balls by DL and breakups by DBs.
Top 10 DB Havoc Rate
1. Florida
2. Western Michigan
3. UTEP
4. Ole Miss
5. Virginia Tech
6. Buffalo
7. Louisiana Tech
8. Central Florida
9. Utah State
10. Arizona
I don't know how good a metric it is, but I do know that I obviously watched every down of Alabama this season and the specific metrics seem pretty on par for what my eye tells me.
Alabama
Overall Havoc - 28
Front 7 Havoc - 38
DB Havoc - 26
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:48 pm to GeauxPack81
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Thats 2011 LSU in a nutshell. IIRC we gave up 500+ yards to WVU that year but we blew them out
Also what happened to us against A&M this year. We gave up over 400 passing yards but we had a few interceptions and one that was returned 75 yards for a touchdown.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:52 pm to Henry Jones Jr
hang the motha frickin' banna'
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:56 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Joe Haden >>>>>> Sherman >>>>>> Revis >>>>>> PP
Not enough down votes in the world can adequately cover this level of dumb.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:57 pm to roguetiger15
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hang the motha frickin' banna'
Enjoy Nashville
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:58 pm to GIbson05
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Oh, and UF has the most DBs in the NFL currently
False. UF has 8 in the league. Alabama has 10.
LSU has 10 DBs in the NFL.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:59 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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UF's DBs >>>>>>> LSU & OM VH3 >>>>>>>>> UF = DBU
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:00 pm to GIbson05
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Alabama has 10.
So does LSU, I believe.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:04 pm to RB10
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So does LSU, I believe
Correct including Mo Claiborne on IR
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:05 pm to RB10
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Enjoy Nashville
i will, and while im watching the game i'll be on my ipad replaying 10-7. and then maybe after that i'll take the virtual tour of our trophy case.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:10 pm to GeauxPack81
It's a tough stat to compare. LSU plays man on ever WR, including Cooper. It allows little room for error, and less opportunity for TO's, but it's great knowing we can pUt our guys on an island and expect them to perform. When you think about who our current starters went up against as second string in practice last year it makes a lot of sense.
Idk how often Ole miss plays man,but I also know we can put anyone of our CB's or safeties on an island and expect them to hold their own against even the best college WR.
Idk how often Ole miss plays man,but I also know we can put anyone of our CB's or safeties on an island and expect them to hold their own against even the best college WR.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:27 pm to Landsharks
This is no contest.
We made Bo cry and stomp off into the locker room before the game was over.
We made Bo quit period.
We made Bo cry and stomp off into the locker room before the game was over.
We made Bo quit period.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:29 pm to bopper50
Yeah but 27-24
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:30 pm to DingDongEddieStrong
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Yeah but 27-24
Living in the past
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:35 pm to DBU
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DBU
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I wouldn't trade our group for any other.
well....you're pretty much handcuffed by your handle..so that's understandable.
also....LSU's D had the benefit of losing more games than the Ole Miss D did this season. That skews passing D stats a bit.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:38 pm to pankReb
Ole Miss' DBs also benefitted from a much stronger pass rush
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:38 pm to memphisplaya
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It's a tough stat to compare.
Exactly why I expected multiple different answers. There is no denying these are 2 of the best secondaries in the country this year, but their styles of play are different. Ole Miss fans use Golson's INTs this year as a reason why he is one of the best CB in the SEC, but LSU fans claim that Tre White doesn't have near the number of INTs because he is so good at locking down his receiver. Its a position group that is hard to compare among schools which is why it makes it interesting.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:39 pm to GeauxPack81
The recruits know who DBU is and that's all that really matters..sorry UF, VA Tech & Old DBU (Texas)
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