re: That Ray hit was Quinton Dial-esque,

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Eject his arse. That's targeting.

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I think as long as it is against the guy with the ball your good.......................for now

Not targeting in 2012, but probably worth a look in 2014.

Doesn't matter, it was legal when the play was committed so why is this a thread?

It's like when you look over those monster hockey hits from the 90s-early 2000s and realize all of them would get players a suspension today.

LINK

Contact initiated:


A few frames after:


Helmets finally touch:


To me.. just a late hit. Contact made in the chest and helmets grazed.

With Quinton Dial.. obviously a much more clear case. Obviously, the rules were different. Today, he would have instantly been ejected.

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With Quinton Dial.. obviously a much more clear case. Obviously, the rules were different. Today, he would have instantly been ejected.

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Yeh. That is what i was trying to tell BAMAGRADINTN. Dials is actually more textbook targeting, but both will be called 10/10 times which is all that matters

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Blurry as shite

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Do we need a gif to see Murrays head turn side ways? C'mon man you know it was a grey-area in the rules back then and a clear cut ejection now. I'd argue that under the rules back then he could have still easily been ejected for it.

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I'd argue that under the rules back then he could have still easily been ejected for it.

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I wouldn't. Today's rules sure. Although he was blocking. It still would get him ejected for targeting more than likely.

Back then, there definitely wouldn't have been an ejection. Probably why there wasn't an ejection.

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I wouldn't. Today's rules sure. Although he was blocking. It still would get him ejected for targeting more than likely.

Back then, there definitely wouldn't have been an ejection. Probably why there wasn't an ejection.

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These is from the 2011-2012 Rulebook.. Rule 9-1-3 and 9-1-4 applied back when Dial crushed Murrays face.

RULING:
Foul by B79 for targeting his opponent and initiating contact with the top of his helmet. Ejection for a flagrant foul.

Defenseless Player: Contact to Head or Neck Area
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area
of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, elbow or shoulder. When
in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6).

He could have been ejected for using the crown of his helmet or for targeting the head/neck area of a player who was "out of the play".

The fact that he initiated contact with his arms/hands is not up for debate.

You're freeze frame shows nothing. The guy went up top, late, on a defenseless QB and was penalized and thrown out, correctly. Ask his coach.