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re: Tennessee and LSU most overhyped SEC teams of 2016
Posted on 5/21/16 at 11:04 am to cajunbama
Posted on 5/21/16 at 11:04 am to cajunbama
Vols, yes
LSU, no
All LSU has to do, is get average QB play and they are 1-2 wins better. Even Mediocre play might see the same, but what they got last year was not good, thus they are not overrated.
LSU, no
All LSU has to do, is get average QB play and they are 1-2 wins better. Even Mediocre play might see the same, but what they got last year was not good, thus they are not overrated.
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Posted on 5/21/16 at 11:15 am to harmonics
Everyone here says LSU will be horrible this year. There is no chance for improvement. So, I don't know what you mean by overhyped.
Last year, people here were saying LSU would go between 4-8 and 7-5.
Finished 9-3.
So, whatever. LSU is always terrible according to the SEC Rant. Who cares?
Last year, people here were saying LSU would go between 4-8 and 7-5.
Finished 9-3.
So, whatever. LSU is always terrible according to the SEC Rant. Who cares?
Posted on 5/21/16 at 11:22 am to AlaTiger
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Everyone here says LSU will be horrible this year.
No one has said this, what most have said is they don't believe L5u is going to win the SECW, or make the CFPO. Unless the QB steps up by a large margin.
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Last year, people here were saying LSU would go between 4-8 and 7-5.
Said no one.
Play it up though.
6 in a row is coming
Posted on 5/21/16 at 12:18 pm to BoarEd
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To me this is exactly why LSU IS overrated. I don't understand why people think that their team is going to be better in any given year because they have a new coordinator. It takes time for any coach to get his team rolling, no matter what the talent pool looks like. This isn't always the case, but it usually is.
LSU 2008
Scoring D - 56th, (24.2 ppg)
Total D - 32nd (325.5 ypg) YPP Yards Per Play 39th (5.00)
Pass D - 74th (215.4 ypg) YPA Yards Per Attempt 47th tie (6.8)
LSU 2009
Scoring D - 11th (16.2 ppg)
Total D - 26th (327.6 ypg), YPP 15th (4.68)
Pass D - 29th (194.2 ypg), YPA 18th tie (6.1)
2007 was our last year with Pelini, but Miles went the wrong route with the two position coaches as Co-DCs for 2008. It was pretty Bad. In 2009 we got a proper DC in Chavis and the results speak for themselves.
I could do the same when we had the 3 stooges coalition doing the offense in 2012 and then Cam Cameron in 2013. The improvement was ridiculous.
It's not as uncommon as you think. If you make a good hire and you already have some pieces established, you will improve greatly, immediately. Arkansas noticed that immediately with the OC change, same with TAMU and UNC with their DC changes. They went from horrific to at least mediocre.
Conversely, even if you have the pieces, if you make a bad hire, you'll have a worse year. LSU saw this with the Steele hire in pass defense the most.
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LSU's defense is going to get burned plenty of times this season.
LSU's defense is going back to man coverage from zone coverage, which will greatly improve our pass defense and fix all those bullshite openings we had everywhere last year. The change in the pass defense from Chavis to Steele was embarrasing, and most of us knew Miles made a horrible decision when he got Steele.
When we brought in Ed O at defense most were thrilled. Our sack total went from 19 in 2014 (103rd) to 34 in 2015 (24th). We went from 105th in sacks per game to 17th. That was with a sophomore DT) 2 first year starters on the DL (one a 6'6 230lbs true freshman),
We are getting bigger at LB and DL to hold up in the run game, and our pass rush will improve even more with Aranda's scheme.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 12:46 pm to Lsuchs
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It really is amazing watching what y'all have done to us the last few seasons then comparing our w/l on the schedules
I lot of that has to do with the style of football Bert loves. People keep claiming we are a power run team but we are really a play action team. The primary goals of our running attack is to chew up time and set up our mostly medium to short range play action passes.
If LSU developed their play action passes to include more of those short to medium range passes I think the Bengals would be devastating. I troll LSU all the time but I really do think LSU has a good shot at the CFP next year if they develop their offense. Y'all are just too predictable most of the time in big games.
As for us and the top 10... I love Bert as our HC but until he has this team ready to come out of the gates and compete right away we are going to be that 6-8 wins a season team that you hate to see on your schedule late in the year.
That might be good enough to win the Big10 from time to time but it won't cut it in the SEC. Especially not in the West.
Anyway, good luck to y'all this year except for when you play us.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 12:50 pm to harmonics
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Tennessee and LSU most overhyped
I'm not sure you even know what "Off-Season National Co-Champs" even means.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 1:02 pm to Ryan3232
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I was expecting to go into that article claiming that LSU is overrated because of QB. And that's what I got.
I guess I can now be a journalist.
No. Just a realist. Don't get me wrong. If LSU can get past Alabama, I fully expect them to at LEAST go to the playoffs. But it doesn't take a journalist to see the question mark is at QB, does it?
Posted on 5/21/16 at 1:04 pm to Winston Cup
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BAMA was #3 on this same idiots list last year
You forgot to mention that Oregon, Tennessee, Southern Cal and LSU was on it, too. You upset because he didn't pick 5 out of 5 last year?
Posted on 5/21/16 at 1:10 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Recent history in the SEC West (past 5 years) for 2nd year starters is on Harris's side.
So what happened to other QBs in years past will translate to Harris? Seriously? Shall we go over the number of QBs at other programs in years past that shows no improvement is forthcoming, then say Harris has no chance?
I think your logic suffers.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 1:35 pm to harmonics
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Tennessee and LSU most overhyped SEC teams every off-season
Thank me later
Posted on 5/21/16 at 1:39 pm to harmonics
Post that up in the locker room. Use it as motivation
Posted on 5/21/16 at 1:43 pm to Arksulli
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I troll LSU all the time
Posted on 5/21/16 at 2:14 pm to DawgsLife
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So what happened to other QBs in years past will translate to Harris? Seriously? Shall we go over the number of QBs at other programs in years past that shows no improvement is forthcoming, then say Harris has no chance?
It's always been like that. It's all about continuation. Now tell me, what has LSU lost at WR, TE, RB, OC, HC, OL that would make it not possible for a guy who has a year's worth of experience to improve? He also had an injury that he dealt with the past 5 games that hindered his progression. Harris has history on his side, plus he loses none of the pieces around him. If he doesn't improve it would actually make him an outlier.
I listed every QB who started a 2nd year in the West over the past 5 years. Showing their improvement from first year starting to second year. Every single school experienced an improvement in their 2nd year starting QB whether it was huge in one area, or improvements in several areas. The only time one didn't was when Arkansas lost their coaching staff and all their pass catchers in one year. There was also an excellent article that a guy did going back 8 years in the SEC for underclassmen QBs, and Harris fits right in line.
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Like I said, Harris has everything he needs to improve, if he doesn't, it will be because of something extreme. I'm not expecting some huge increase like Mett or Prescott, but improvement in short to midrange passing (more use of his RBs and TEs as well), will go a long way in improving LSU and making us a more balanced team.
BTW, you can bookmark both posts and heckle/praise me when whatever happens, happens this year.
This post was edited on 5/21/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 5/21/16 at 5:33 pm to Datbayoubengal
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It's always been like that. It's all about continuation. Now tell me, what has LSU lost at WR, TE, RB, OC, HC, OL that would make it not possible for a guy who has a year's worth of experience to improve?
We were talking about QB....not what you didn't lose. Florida had some of the best QB's in the country ranking wise with Muschamp and look what happened. Driskell ring a bell? Just because they have another year doesn't mean you can expect improvement. Look at us last year with Lambert. He has the talent, but just didn't have it between the ears. Shall we go on? I don't care how good your WR, OL or anybody else is. If your QB can't get the ball to them or get his act together he will sink your chances.
That's not to say that is what I think will happen. I'm just saying look at all the QBs around the country going into their second, third or fourth year that showed no improvement and you will see you MIGHT not get any improvement at all.
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I listed every QB who started a 2nd year in the West over the past 5 years.
Very impressive. But Harris' name wasn't one of them. A LOT of LSU fans were counting on huge improvement in your QB play last year, and had similar reasons to back up their feelings. They were a little disappointed, were they not?
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Like I said, Harris has everything he needs to improve, if he doesn't, it will be because of something extreme.
There has been one constant the past few years. Your QB coach. Think about that. Ok, the QB coach and Miles play calling. Has something changed with those two that we don't know about?
Posted on 5/21/16 at 5:35 pm to Datbayoubengal
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BTW, you can bookmark both posts and heckle/praise me when whatever happens, happens this year.
I wouldn't do that. I actually like LSU and I would hope you feel strongly about your chances. You have every right to. The only time I get rankled is when I see people making statements that Harris is going to improve because he has another year under his belt. It just doesn't work that way.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 6:31 pm to harmonics
Neat
Posted on 5/23/16 at 10:28 am to spacewrangler
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Said no one.
Play it up though.
6 in a row is coming
Whatever. I saw it. Mostly A&M fans.
In other words, the SEC Rant is often stupid.
6 in a row? Okay. Bring it. We'll see, but Alabama will have to earn it. This team will be ready.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:31 am to Winston Cup
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BAMA was #3 on this same idiots list last year
Besides his inclusion of Bama...
Tennessee was on his list last year because they were preseason #25...and they finished ranked #22 in the AP and #23 in the Coach's Poll, so they finished 2-3 spots above where they were predicted to finish.
LSU was on his list last year because they were preseason #13. They finished the season #16, so they finished only 3 spots below where they were predicted to finish.
It seems like they both finished pretty close to where they were ranked in the preseason.
Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:58 pm to harmonics
Duh! The 40% of this website that has a brain realizes that.
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