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re: Tenn, your matchup with the gatas is favorable for you this year
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:29 pm to tennfanatic
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:29 pm to tennfanatic
Tennessee's DL last year was underrated. They had some experienced guys in the middle that overachieved, and had strong contributions from new players.
But even with that, Tennessee was #65t against the rush last year and gave up 4.25 yards per carry. They were only average against the run.
If you are of the school of thought that the two blue chip DTs they brought in can be amazing from day 1, then yes, maybe they'll improve against the run this year, even though they don't have a MLB yet... but I think that is more wishing and hoping than knowing.
UF gets 5 star DTs all the time the past 5-10 years. Sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don't. There are no guarantees there.
UF is not as disruptive up front as UT, especially at the ends, but they are certainly still very talented, and they are doing just fine in the middle. Caleb Brantley and Joey Ivie are going to be two of the better DTs in the conference, and Khairi Clark and Taven Bryan are going to provide very good depth, and that assumes Holley (a 5*) doesn't play this year, which he may. On the ends, Jonathan Bullard is probably the most underrated SSDE in the conference, and although he's not the greatest pass rusher, he is rock solid against the run and in containment, and Alex McCallister and Bryan Cox Jr on the other side destroyed UT last year, so I don't know why they won't do that again, since UT's tackles are the same.
But even with that, Tennessee was #65t against the rush last year and gave up 4.25 yards per carry. They were only average against the run.
If you are of the school of thought that the two blue chip DTs they brought in can be amazing from day 1, then yes, maybe they'll improve against the run this year, even though they don't have a MLB yet... but I think that is more wishing and hoping than knowing.
UF gets 5 star DTs all the time the past 5-10 years. Sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don't. There are no guarantees there.
UF is not as disruptive up front as UT, especially at the ends, but they are certainly still very talented, and they are doing just fine in the middle. Caleb Brantley and Joey Ivie are going to be two of the better DTs in the conference, and Khairi Clark and Taven Bryan are going to provide very good depth, and that assumes Holley (a 5*) doesn't play this year, which he may. On the ends, Jonathan Bullard is probably the most underrated SSDE in the conference, and although he's not the greatest pass rusher, he is rock solid against the run and in containment, and Alex McCallister and Bryan Cox Jr on the other side destroyed UT last year, so I don't know why they won't do that again, since UT's tackles are the same.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 12:35 pm
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:39 pm to slayerxing
One other thing I will add, is that Antonio Morrison is going to be one of the better MLB in the conference this year, and UF will be running Nickel a lot, and Keanu Neal, Marcus Maye, and Brian Poole are probably 3 of the best DB's in the country against the run, due to their size and speed, and I think their ability to be multiple in defense, and by that I mean cover receivers up close but also get off blocks and make tackles against RBs, will be big for the defense and presents a match up issue for most teams.
Marcus Maye, 6'0, 207 - RS Jr
Keanu Neal, 6'1, 216 - Jr
Brian Poole, 5'10, 211 - Sr
Marcus Maye, 6'0, 207 - RS Jr
Keanu Neal, 6'1, 216 - Jr
Brian Poole, 5'10, 211 - Sr
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:58 pm to VFL1800FPD
this guy has the right outlook
vol fan base needs more like you
vol fan base needs more like you
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:02 pm to slayerxing
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slayerxing
VOLS 31
Gators 17
Tennessee's defense will be better than Florida's this year for the first time in many years.
Tennessee has the advantage at QB, RB and WR. I think our offensive line will be bad but I do not think Florida's will be much better so I expect Barnett, Maggitt and company to feast on Will Grier or Harris.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:03 pm to NorthGAVol
i doubt yall have a better defense but we'll see
our defense knows they gotta be good to give a us chance to beat anybody worth a damn
hell i think we could end up tops in the league with vh3 leading this group
our defense knows they gotta be good to give a us chance to beat anybody worth a damn
hell i think we could end up tops in the league with vh3 leading this group
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:16 pm to NorthGAVol
31 points?
Unless Tennessee scores on defense and special teams no way do they score 31. They've scored 39 points on offense in the last 3 years COMBINED vs UF.
I don't think the advantage at RB is as big as Tennessee fans like to point out, Kelvin Taylor is a 5* RB too, and Jordan Scarlett was expected to do big things just like Kamara.
UF also has Demarcus Robinson at WR - who produced more last year than any WR on the UT roster, and UF has big threats at TE this year, something they definitely didn't have last year due to injuries.
On defense, UF is still the more talented team, especially when it comes to depth in the front 7, and in the secondary.
Unless Tennessee scores on defense and special teams no way do they score 31. They've scored 39 points on offense in the last 3 years COMBINED vs UF.
I don't think the advantage at RB is as big as Tennessee fans like to point out, Kelvin Taylor is a 5* RB too, and Jordan Scarlett was expected to do big things just like Kamara.
UF also has Demarcus Robinson at WR - who produced more last year than any WR on the UT roster, and UF has big threats at TE this year, something they definitely didn't have last year due to injuries.
On defense, UF is still the more talented team, especially when it comes to depth in the front 7, and in the secondary.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:29 pm to slayerxing
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Unless Tennessee scores on defense and special teams no way do they score 31. They've scored 39 points on offense in the last 3 years COMBINED vs UF.
Has no bearing on this season.
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I don't think the advantage at RB is as big as Tennessee fans like to point out, Kelvin Taylor is a 5* RB too, and Jordan Scarlett was expected to do big things just like Kamara.
I don't think it's a huge gap but I think a lot of posters are underestimating how well Tennessee will run the ball with Dobbs, Hurd and Kamara.
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UF also has Demarcus Robinson at WR - who produced more last year than any WR on the UT roster, and UF has big threats at TE this year, something they definitely didn't have last year due to injuries.
Robinson is a beast but Florida has no where near the amount of talnent that Tennessee does at WR.
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On defense, UF is still the more talented team, especially when it comes to depth in the front 7, and in the secondary
We will see. Find me a pass rushing duo anywhere in the country that's better than Maggitt and Barnett. We have quality depth at DT and DE for the first time in ages and I expect Kahlil McKenzie to be a force of nature.
The gap between Florida's secondary and Tennessee's is much, much smaller than you give credit for. This is going to be the fastest defense Tennessee has fielded since Chavis was here. We no longer have cornerbacks that routinely get roasted by tight ends and H-backs.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:38 pm to MID_TN_VOL
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Tenn, your matchup with the gatas is favorable for you this year
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If Florida scores more than 10 points against us. I'll be surprised
Prepare thy anus to be really surprised. You are coming to the Swamp and UT will be skeered....Butchy will be hyper and nervous...players pick up on it...they start pressing and OMG the ball is on the ground and its Gators 14-0 first qt. The whole world is weighing on Butchy's shoulders...he fires two assistant coaches on the sidelines and everyone moves away from him. Dobby will be hurried and sacked all day. He finally shits his britches and cries on sideline. Hurd/Kamara whoever...will be buried into the turf.....totals: UT 5 turnovers, 6 sacks and a safety....22 yds rushing.
Gator fans start throwing pissbombs and Smokey hides.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:40 pm to slayerxing
If the Vols beat Oklahoma and roll into this game at 3-0 and win, I think it sets up a very good season.
If they lose to Oklahoma and lose this game, which wouldn't surprise me seeing our luck the past five or six years, the next couple of weeks could get ugly and the FARRRR BUTCHHH train would take hold.
I think UT wins one of the two (Oklahoma/Florida) and reaches Arkansas 3-1. My money is on Oklahoma because until UT beats Florida, I'm not picking the Vols again in that series.
If they lose to Oklahoma and lose this game, which wouldn't surprise me seeing our luck the past five or six years, the next couple of weeks could get ugly and the FARRRR BUTCHHH train would take hold.
I think UT wins one of the two (Oklahoma/Florida) and reaches Arkansas 3-1. My money is on Oklahoma because until UT beats Florida, I'm not picking the Vols again in that series.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:49 pm to reel_gator8
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Dobby will be hurried and sacked all day. He finally shits his britches and cries on sideline. Hurd/Kamara whoever...will be buried into the turf.....totals: UT 5 turnovers, 6 sacks and a safety....22 yds rushing.
Dobbs got sacked 8 times in 6 games last year. Dobbs will burn Florida on the ground all day if they try to blitz him like they did Worley.This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:53 pm to NorthGAVol
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NorthGAVol
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Dobbs got sacked 8 times in 6 games last year.
Yeah...he played in tail end of arse whipping you got at home with Bama and then he was able to be stellar against the likes of Vandy, UKy jelly & USCe.
He will face a much better defense and our DL is stout my friend. We have some hosses who have played snaps and ready to roll.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:08 pm to NorthGAVol
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Has no bearing on this season.
We've heard that every year for 10 years. While it doesn't have a direct bearing it does show a trend - and that trend is UT struggles against UF's defense and has for many many years.
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I don't think it's a huge gap but I think a lot of posters are underestimating how well Tennessee will run the ball with Dobbs, Hurd and Kamara.
I don't think anyone is underestimating UT here. I think what is happening is UT fans are OVER estimating based on what they did against crappy teams to end the year last year.
Against Kentucky: 4.2 YPC, while UK gave up on average 4.49 YPC last year
Against Missouri: 1.83 YPC while MU gave up on average 3.51 YPC last year
Against Vanderbilt: 3.78 YPC while VU gave up on average 4.43 last year
What Tennessee did was take advantage of bad run defenses against South Carolina and Iowa. Which is great and all, but even with Dobbs, they weren't great running the ball. They were just about average, but yes it was a huge improvement over the shite show earlier in the year for them.
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Robinson is a beast but Florida has no where near the amount of talnent that Tennessee does at WR.
Tennessee has a more well rounded WR depth chart, but UF has the single best player. And don't forget TE, where UF returns a guy from injury that has 71 receptions, 769 yards, and 7 TD in his career. Florida is going to be better in the passing game this year than last year just because they have better weapons to throw too.
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We will see. Find me a pass rushing duo anywhere in the country that's better than Maggitt and Barnett. We have quality depth at DT and DE for the first time in ages and I expect Kahlil McKenzie to be a force of nature.
The gap between Florida's secondary and Tennessee's is much, much smaller than you give credit for. This is going to be the fastest defense Tennessee has fielded since Chavis was here. We no longer have cornerbacks that routinely get roasted by tight ends and H-backs.
I think UT has the better pass rush obviously, but quality depth at DT in the form of two freshmen? You understand that UF has 4 and 5 star talent at DT as well right? And they aren't freshmen. UF has a 5 star DE too in Bullard. and 4 stars all up and down the depth chart with experience and let's not forget Cece Jefferson a 5* that will make an immediate impact. Uf has a lot of talent up front, and they won't be relying on freshmen there to do anything other than add a boost. UF also has the better MLB, and yes, I think the UT secondary is good, but it isn't as good as UF. Even with UF's slow start to last year due to inexperience, UF was still #10 in the country in PE defense. UT was #24 and loses their leading INT guy from last year. Florida gave up 8 TD in the first 3 games last year before they got their shite together, and then only gave up 7 TD against 11 INT the rest of the season, while only allowing 1 opponent to post above a 107 QB rating, which was Georgia, and they did most of that damage in garbage time, whereas the UT defensive backfield faded down the stretch last year.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:11 pm to slayerxing
Justin Coleman might have had 4 interceptions, but he wasn't a very good corner. He had a reputation (deserved) for getting burnt deep a lot. He improved a lot his senior year, but he still wasn't very good. Replacing him with Justin Martin/Emmanuel Moseley is an upgrade.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:13 pm to reel_gator8
Tail end if the Bama game? Dobbs played all but the first 7 or so minutes, after Bama went up 27-0 due to Peterman not being able to move the chains. Dobbs came in and outscored Bama 20-7 the rest of the way.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:15 pm to slayerxing
Slayer, don't try to be logical or rational with Tennessee fans on here.
They've got it all set that Tennnessee will win because UF sucks and is "just a notch above Vanderbilt".
They've got it all set that Tennnessee will win because UF sucks and is "just a notch above Vanderbilt".
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:15 pm to theaerialview
Lol Bama up 27-0 before Hobbs came in and Bama let off the gas.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:16 pm to boXerrumble
Now you get it.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:16 pm to reel_gator8
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Yeah...he played in tail end of arse whipping you got at home with Bama and then he was able to be stellar against the likes of Vandy, UKy jelly & USCe.
He came in towards the end of the first quarter and still racked up nearly 300 total yards with only one turnover and was sacked twice. Your defense is not as good as Alabama's so I think your predictions might be off a bit.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:18 pm to NorthGAVol
Just stop. Bama was up 27-0. They could've put up 50 if they wanted to.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:18 pm to Volatile
Of course, replacing a guy that lead your team in INT last year and basically started for 3 straight years, while being the #2 guy on the team in PBU for the past 2 years - clearly the new guys will be better automatically just because you read an article on Volnation or Volquest about how talented they are....
Pardon my sarcasm, you could be right, but when discussing the UF secondary, you don't even have to have this discussion because they return all of their starters.
Pardon my sarcasm, you could be right, but when discussing the UF secondary, you don't even have to have this discussion because they return all of their starters.
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