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re: Still incredible how Nick Saban broke texas.

Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:20 pm to
Posted by Herman Frisco
Bon Secour
Member since Sep 2008
17260 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:20 pm to
What did I say? Your next post proved my point.
If you really wanted to play Bama you had your chance.
I repeat my self. Until your team beats Bama all you got is talk. And everyone knows talk is cheap.
Your argument is cheap.
Posted by The Truthbuster
Member since Jun 2017
157 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:20 pm to
Who has more than 11 unclaimed national championships
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12853 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:21 pm to
I call bullshite on this one. Every time I see an 8th grade drop out in a Wal-Mart parking lot here in Mobile they have a new pre-1950s championship added to their sleeveless tshirt.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:22 pm to
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Who has more than 11 unclaimed national championships

Based on the NCAA records book, Texas has 5 unclaimed national titles. Oklahoma has twice as many.
Meanwhile, Alabama has 4 more that they don't claim. A whopping difference of 1.
This post was edited on 6/24/17 at 11:23 pm
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:24 pm to
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How many national titles can you legitimately claim post-1936?

1941
1963
1968
1969
1970

1977
1981
2005

77 and 81 would really be stretching it. But hey, SMU claimed some early 80s titles so there's precedence.
Posted by The Truthbuster
Member since Jun 2017
157 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:27 pm to
Those are not claimed by the university

Someone else says UT was a champion that year and UT doesn't hang the banner
Unlike Bama that hangs every championship that someone gives them
This post was edited on 6/24/17 at 11:32 pm
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72161 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:30 pm to
Except of the 16 claimed titles, 11 are poll titles. And there's four more Alabama doesn't claim.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64954 posts
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:32 pm to
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Unlike Bama that hangs ever championship that someone gives them





11 of the 16 national titles that we claim were awarded by either the AP, Coaches, BCS, or CFB Playoffs. Four of the remaining five that we claim were from before the AP Poll Era. 1941 is the only dubious title claim we have.

Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:01 am to
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I believe you can call every coach who has coached here overrated even DKR

Damn, you really are an idiot. How embarrassing...
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:06 am to
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Those are not claimed by the university

I never said they were. He asked how many Texas could claim since 1936 and that's going by the NCAA records book.

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Unlike Bama that hangs every championship that someone gives them

Except they don't.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:49 am to
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Since their most recent national title in 2005 you have to go all the way back to 1970 to find their next one. They win games but they are among the most overrated programs in all of college football.

Since 1969, Texas has won more major poll/BCS/CFP national championships than Ohio State, and three times as many as Michigan during that time frame.

Texas has the same number of national championships as Notre Dame since 1969, too.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 12:59 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64954 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:23 am to
And few, if any, people go around saying something to the effect of: "If Saban were at Michigan, Ohio State, or even Notre Dame, he would make what he's been doing at Alabama look like child's play by comparison."

Only Texas fans or those knighting for the Texas program are saying this. What has Texas shown in the last 50 or so years that confirms such a theory? Hence why I say the Texas fanbase has an overinflated sense of self-worth.

Posted by The Truthbuster
Member since Jun 2017
157 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:33 am to
Texas blue chip prospects from
2013 to 2017 229
Alabama blue chip prospects from
2013 to 2017 59

For Saban it would be able to coach in the state with the largest amount of talent.
No other school can touch UT inside Texas.
A&M is not anywhere near the status of Texas when Texas is good.
For Saban that would mean less time spent on recruiting.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:39 am to
Listen, you will get no argument from me that Alabama is a superior football program to Texas. You are the best all time now, passing Notre Dame. Also duly noted.

I was a huge fan of your program until I got around your fans and saw their massive insecurities despite being on top.

I don't subscribe to your theory (based on ignorant posts by kids online, or writers stirring the pot) that Saban would do even better at those schools. Is this part if your massive inferiority complex? Intense paranoia?

You also act like Texas flat-out did not play football from 1971-2004, despite winning a shite ton of games, playing on New Year's Day for 4 national titles (77, 81, 83, 90). 1990 was a remote chance, but still.

Hell, I can even remember the 1982 Cotton Bowl when the Longhorns under Fred Akers beat Bear Bryant in what I guess was his last major bowl game.

I am too young to remember Coach Royal beating Bryant in the Orange and Cotton bowls.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64954 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:46 am to
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For Saban it would be able to coach in the state with the largest amount of talent.


He doesn't need that. He recruits well in Florida (#2 in high school talent behind Texas), Georgia (#4) and Louisiana (#6). He also gets his pick of the litter from in-state talent in Alabama (#7). And the distances these kids are traveling to go to school and play at Alabama are less than the land mass of Texas. So it's not like they're traveling thousands of miles from home to play football (unless you're Tua Tagovailoa).

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No other school can touch UT inside Texas.


No other school can touch UA inside the state of Alabama.

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A&M is not anywhere near the status of Texas when Texas is good.


And Auburn is no where near in status to Alabama.

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For Saban that would mean less time spent on recruiting.



Then you misunderstand the nature of the man. Recruiting is his favorite part of the job.





Posted by The Truthbuster
Member since Jun 2017
157 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:50 am to
A lot of it has to do with who Nick Saban is and his resume. Leaving Michigan St for LSU, LSU for Miami Dolphins and then returning to college football at Alabama

For sure the NFL pays more and has more recognition. I am sure even insecure Bama fans will not admit that the NFL is not a better job than theirs.

That leaves college football and the seven other blue bloods
I say Nebraska and Oklahoma would be a step down
Michigan, Ohio State and ND would be a lateral step
That leaves SC and Texas as steps up in college football. He had the chance to leave and did not.

There is also Florida St and Miami even though they are not considered blue bloods they would be a step up in regards to talent maybe not in recognition as Texas and USC would be.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 1:51 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64954 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:50 am to
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I don't subscribe to your theory (based on ignorant posts by kids online, or writers stirring the pot) that Saban would do even better at those schools.


Good. Because that's not my theory at all.

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You also act like Texas flat-out did not play football from 1971-2004, despite winning a shite ton of games, playing on New Year's Day for 4 national titles (77, 81, 83, 90). 1990 was a remote chance, but still.


You are way too prone to hyperbole. That's not what I said at all. I believe I even acknowledged a few pages back that Texas wins games. Their problem has been winning championships.

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Hell, I can even remember the 1982 Cotton Bowl when the Longhorns under Fred Akers beat Bear Bryant in what I guess was his last major bowl game.



The only Alabama-Texas match-up I have been alive for was the most recent one in January 2010. I know Texas has the winning record in the series, but I wasn't around for any of those games I'm afraid.


Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:02 am to
Sorry, Saban to Texas wouldn't be a step up from Alabama. They have more hardware and bring in as much money as Texas.

You baffled me when you said Darrell Royal was overrated. You are not an idiot but that one still blows my mind. Oh well, I knew Coach Royal from the early 90s onward and he was like Jesus Christ incarnate.

And to the Alabama poster, I meant "your theory that other people think Saban would do even better at..."
Posted by The Truthbuster
Member since Jun 2017
157 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:06 am to
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Then you misunderstand the nature of the man. Recruiting is his favorite part of the job.


If he was at Texas he could just open his doors to the kids in Texas and then recruit California, Louisiana and Florida.
Funny thing is John Mackovic tried this approach and it alienated the HS coaches in Texas. The top talent started going to A&M

Like it has been said on here before Texas' biggest problems is Texas itself. From the high school football coaches, media, fans, boosters and administrators.
If someone was able to figure everything out they could hit a Home Run every time
Even the great DKR couldn't. I have the upmost respect for him but I believe he is overrated in the history of UT football
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:07 am
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70891 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:19 am to
Honestly, as someone who deals with Em, nah. It was suicide. Reminds me of the rich kid who doesn't value the dollar.

They are the epitome of pride before the fall. Just kys before being killed type deal
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:20 am
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