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re: Stevan Ridley vs Mark ingram in the pros
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:20 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:20 pm to thunderbird1100
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Ingram just benefitted from an amazing OL in college
If Ivory or Thomas played with Bama's 09 OL in college they don't win the Heisman, or make as many amazing runs as MI did AFTER CONTACT.
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:22 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:Pretty much this...
Nah Ingram just isn't as good a pro.
Ivory and Thomas don't seem to have a problem in the Saints' offense. Ingram looks slow, lacks explosiveness, hardly ever breaks tackles, and seems to also lack vision when he tries to hit a running lane.
I imagine it is very frustrating for Saints' fans to watch every time he takes the field.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:22 pm to Robin Masters
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Robin Masters
Why can't you just admit Mark Ingram is the worst running back in the NFL
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:23 pm to Tiger Authority
Sproles has like 120 yds rushing on the season. Flourishing!! Ingram is 2 yds from leading team in rushing with 339. The team can't run. Not all on Ingram.
This post was edited on 12/2/12 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:25 pm to NashBamaFan
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Sproles has like 120 yds rushing n the season.
Do you even keep up with the Saints?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:25 pm to NashBamaFan
quote:That's because their offense doesn't value him as a true running back. He's much better in open space catching passes, and that's what he does. He hardly ever lines up to run it up the middle as normal 'backs do.
Sproles has like 120 yds rushing on the season.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:29 pm to thunderbird1100
I tried to give Ingram the benefit of the doubt for the longest time. But I gave up.
Take the Thursday game for example...
The entire first half the dude was consistently gaining three feet per carry. It was frustrating. I thought the Falcons figured something out since the first game when the Saints were gashing them. Then along came the second half. The Saints stick Pierre in and run the SAME EXACT DIVE PLAYS they were giving to Ingram in the 1st half and Pierre starts busting 11 yard runs.
Take the Thursday game for example...
The entire first half the dude was consistently gaining three feet per carry. It was frustrating. I thought the Falcons figured something out since the first game when the Saints were gashing them. Then along came the second half. The Saints stick Pierre in and run the SAME EXACT DIVE PLAYS they were giving to Ingram in the 1st half and Pierre starts busting 11 yard runs.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:32 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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If Ivory or Thomas played with Bama's 09 OL in college they don't win the Heisman, or make as many amazing runs as MI did AFTER CONTACT.
Wrong.
Ingram can't even run without tripping over his own two feet. On the other hand, Pierre took 4 Atlanta players for a 4 yard piggy back ride to the 1 yard line, then put Ingram in to gain his patented three feet for the TD.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:35 pm to TTsTowel
Yeah, that's kind of the point of my response to him. Sproles can't be compared to the other backs on the Saints team. I agree with you.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:37 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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If Ivory or Thomas played with Bama's 09 OL in college they don't win the Heisman, or make as many amazing runs as MI did AFTER CONTACT.
Speculation
Fact - Ivory and Thomas are both MUCH BETTER in the NFL given the same situation/same team
Sorry, you can stop your homering whenever.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:38 pm to thunderbird1100
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Fact - Ivory and Thomas are both MUCH BETTER in the NFL given the same situation/same team
So what? There are a lot of players in the NFL that are better than players currently in the NFL that they weren't better than in college.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:40 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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So what? There are a lot of players in the NFL that are better than players currently in the NFL that they weren't better than in college.
Maybe they always were better. Maybe the "system" wasn't as good. Isn't that your argument for Ingram here?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:41 pm to NashBamaFan
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Sproles has like 120 yds rushing on the season. Flourishing!! Ingram is 2 yds from leading team in rushing with 339. The team can't run. Not all on Ingram.
Ivory - 5.4 ypc
Thomas - 4.8 ypc
Sproles - 4.5 ypc
Ingram - 3.6 ypc
Who has trouble running the ball? Looks like it's just 1 player.
Similar story last year...
Sproles - 6.9 ypc
Thomas - 5.1 ypc
Ivory - 4.7 ypc
Ingram - 3.9 ypc
BUT THE SAINTS CANT RUN! THE SAINTS SETUP INGRAM TO FAIL
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:42 pm to NashBamaFan
I never understood why the Saints moved up in the draft to take Ingram. Anyone who watched him in college knew he was the beneficiary of running behind a great o-line. Ridley had to make plays without the benefit of a good o-line and with no passing threat. Just had to do the eye test to see who was the better back. Then Ridley blew Ingram away at the combine. Never understood that pick by the Saints. Ingram should have been a 3rd round pick based off of his college career and combine workout and then still would not have lived up to expectations of a 3rd rounder.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:42 pm to sportsfreak1989s
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The entire first half the dude was consistently gaining three feet per carry. It was frustrating. I thought the Falcons figured something out since the first game when the Saints were gashing them. Then along came the second half. The Saints stick Pierre in and run the SAME EXACT DIVE PLAYS they were giving to Ingram in the 1st half and Pierre starts busting 11 yard runs.
Ingram just wore them down...
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:42 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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If Ivory or Thomas played with Bama's 09 OL in college they don't win the Heisman, or make as many amazing runs as MI did AFTER CONTACT.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:42 pm to NashBamaFan
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Yeah, that's kind of the point of my response to him. Sproles can't be compared to the other backs on the Saints team. I agree with you.
Neither can Ivory or Thomas because all of those players ruin your argument that no Saints RBs can run well
Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:44 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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So what? There are a lot of players in the NFL that are better than players currently in the NFL that they weren't better than in college.
So that kind of ruins your argument entirely. You're saying 2 RBs who are clearly better than Ingram on the SAME TEAM wouldn't even be as good as him on another team. That makes literally zero sense.
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