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Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:00 pm to tylerdurden24
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:00 pm to tylerdurden24
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Depending on who is proven to have known about the violations (be it Kiffin, Freeze, Bjork, etc) you may see a dismantling of the coaching staff and/or AD as well. Almost assuredly going to be at least one show cause somewhere in there.
What, in this article, wasn't already covered in the NOA other than the draft night ordeal?
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Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:00 pm to pankReb
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so are you just now finding out that Miller sat down with the NCAA?
There's a difference between sitting down with the NCAA and having cell phone records, bank statements, facebook messages, etc to back up your accusations. This is about as fricked as you can get as a Power 5 program in this modern age of college athletics
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:03 pm to tylerdurden24
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Depending on who is proven to have known about the violations
Unfortunately for Ole Miss (and cfb HCs in general) that doesn't really matter anymore. The new rules are something along the lines of "knew or should have known". The plausible deniability angle is pretty much shot.
Furthermore, the biggest issue of the entire NOA is the academic fraud. It doesn't matter that it was under a previous staff and it doesn't matter that Saunders already got a show-cause. That's going to be the big-ticket item from the penalties if nothing new comes up
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:03 pm to pankReb
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What, in this article, wasn't already covered in the NOA other than the draft night ordeal?
Am I missing something or is there not a second NOA expected that specifically deals with the Tunsil issue? My understanding is that this is entirely separate from the first NOA (not to mention that the NCAA still hasn't announced the penalties that it will levy in addition to what Ole Miss has already announced).
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:05 pm to pankReb
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What, in this article, wasn't already covered in the NOA other than the draft night ordeal?
The fact that the man said boosters and coaches bought him a house in Oxford. That wasn't covered in the NOA.
You can not believe him all you want. But it's in the article and not in the NOA. I'm sure you'll take comfort in the fact that 'they couldn't prove it'.
But be wary, y'all were on here saying the NCAA couldn't find anything, that it was all women's bball, that it was all prior staffs, etc.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:06 pm to pankReb
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finding out that Miller sat down with the NCAA?
Doesn't seem like the noa addresses the move from Florida. If I am wrong, What part of the noa does?
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:06 pm to tylerdurden24
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There's a difference between sitting down with the NCAA and having cell phone records, bank statements, facebook messages, etc to back up your accusations. This is about as fricked as you can get as a Power 5 program in this modern age of college athletics
my point is....what, exactly, did you think happened when Miller sat down with the NCAA?
And it really doesn't matter what proof Miller showed the NCAA. We already admitted to the improper benefits to the exact dollar amount referenced in this article.
So...again...what is new about this article that wasn't already included in our NOA response?
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:06 pm to msuboss71
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None the Tunsil stuff was included in the first NOA. Expect a second one. And even if it was, the fact that Miller straight up showed hard evidence to the NCAA of coaches "taking care" of players and their families is as damning as it gets
You must have been under a rock for the past 2 months or you can't read....probably the later. Everything mentioned in the article is in the NOA. The only thing waiting is any follow on information pertaining to the Draft Day crap. As for speculation...the NCAA is learning the hard way via USCw that you have to have absolute verifiable proof....yet in this great hard hitting, damning piece of....journalism the author even states:
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Miller says he told the NCAA those nights were arranged by boosters he met through Kiffin, but the NCAA never found that link. Kiffin's name appears 13 times in the Notice of Allegations, but none of those prove he set Miller up with boosters.
Then you have to factor in the source. It's the #1 guy with his hand out and is now trying to "earn" a pay day off his former step-son....SMDH if anyone really wants to believe this guy has embellished his story.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:07 pm to UAtide11
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Furthermore, the biggest issue of the entire NOA is the academic fraud. It doesn't matter that it was under a previous staff and it doesn't matter that Saunders already got a show-cause. That's going to be the big-ticket item from the penalties if nothing new comes up
I think you're overestimating the amount of give-a-shite the NCAA has for academic affairs. Despite their propaganda, the NCAA doesn't seem to give a rats arse about academic dishonesty. If Ole Miss is hammered for that offense in particular, then I'm officially going to be expecting the complete shut down of UNC athletics for essentially redefining how academic cheating occurs at the big athletic programs of huge-name universities
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:11 pm to UAtide11
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The fact that the man said boosters and coaches bought him a house in Oxford.
oh...but you're just going to ignore Tunsil's mother saying that was bullshite and that they could afford it themselves?
Did you stop and ask yourself...."why wasn't this included in the NOA?" If it were true....it's something that happened nearly 4 years ago and not in the last few months since the NOA.
go ahead and ask yourself that and post what you think to be a logical answer.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:11 pm to pankReb
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So...again...what is new about this article that wasn't already included in our NOA response?
Serious question: has a second NOA been announced and a second response form Ole Miss been released?
Because I'm under the impression that the NOA and response released a month or two ago had nothing to do with the Tunsil situation, that Tunsil and Co would be covered in a second, TBA notice and response.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:11 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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It's the #1 guy with his hand out and is now trying to "earn" a pay day off his former step-son....SMDH if anyone really wants to believe this guy has embellished his story.
This would be concerning to me if I was a bear. I imagine The easiest way to a pay day is to withhold evidence and hold out for more hush money, and if you aren't taken care of, you can go back to the mess with hard evidence. Miller may have done this.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:11 pm to tylerdurden24
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I think you're overestimating the amount of give-a-shite the NCAA has for academic affairs.
Memphis basketball had to vacate 38 wins and a final four and got 3 years probation. All because Derrick Rose had somebody else take the SAT for him. Nobody on staff was implicated.
Here you have an employee actually arranging for and carrying out the manipulation of multiple peoples entrance exams. They are probably going to get hit hard for that
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:13 pm to pankReb
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oh...but you're just going to ignore Tunsil's mother saying that was bullshite and that they could afford it themselves?
I don't give a shite about whether they did or not.
You are challenging people to list stuff in the article that's not in the NOA. Well there you go.
You want me to answer the question why it's not in the NOA but won't acknowledge that it is in the article and not in the NOA. JUST LIKE YOU ASKED
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:13 pm to pankReb
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oh...but you're just going to ignore Tunsil's mother saying that was bullshite and that they could afford it themselves?
Well, maybe there will be a second SI article that covers his mother presenting receipts and bank statements that explain away the accused purchases and improper gifts. Otherwise, the evidence favors Miller's story and the onus is on Tunsil, his mother, and Ole Miss to prove otherwise
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:15 pm to tylerdurden24
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Because I'm under the impression that the NOA and response released a month or two ago had nothing to do with the Tunsil situation, that Tunsil and Co would be covered in a second, TBA notice and response.
Well I would suggest you go read the NOA. Like has been said numerous times in this thread, everything in this article is listed in the NOA. Failing taking the time to educate yourself I would suggest you sit this one out.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:17 pm to pankReb
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you're just going to ignore Tunsil's mother saying that was bull shite and that they could afford it themselves?
Much easier to assume the man here is correct. At least safer to assume they could NOT afford a nice house and move without some help as was promised by ole miss.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:18 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Well I would suggest you go read the NOA. Like has been said numerous times in this thread, everything in this article is listed in the NOA
the only thing not listed in the NOA that is in this article is Miller saying the staff helped the family move.
There's a pretty obvious reason why that isn't in the NOA and it doesn't have anything to do with a "2nd NOA". There's no reason to put something in a 2nd NOA when it supposedly happened and was presented to the NCAA before the 1st NOA was released.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:19 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Like has been said numerous times in this thread, everything in this article is listed in the NOA.
You continue to avoid bringing such info to the table. I have asked you for it due to your expertise on the ole miss noa.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:19 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Well forgive me for not being an interested party (see: Ole Miss, Miss State fan) but could you direct me to where this was covered in the first response from Ole Miss?
I suppose the NOA from the NCAA could have mentioned all of this (I was under the impression that it didn't but I fully admit that I could be wrong) but is it not true that Ole Miss has not yet announced a response to the Tunsil allegations? And is it not true that the NCAA has yet to levy their own penalties for the allegations supposedly mentioned in the NOA?
I suppose the NOA from the NCAA could have mentioned all of this (I was under the impression that it didn't but I fully admit that I could be wrong) but is it not true that Ole Miss has not yet announced a response to the Tunsil allegations? And is it not true that the NCAA has yet to levy their own penalties for the allegations supposedly mentioned in the NOA?
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