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re: Speaking of possible expansions (Big XII and SEC) - best attendance non P5
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:00 pm to StopRobot
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:00 pm to StopRobot
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Kind of disagree on this one. Colorado is in a tough spot location wise but the Pac XII still feels off.
Colorado has been wanting to be a Pac12 member for 20+ years, before they left.
Super liberal college that always felt they were better than anyone in Big8/12, and felt conference was a bunch of heyseeds.
They have always recruited Cali hard, long before they left. It was where they wanted to go, regardless of how it put the final nail in their football teams coffin.
Ah, who could forget trips to Boulder, and Buff fans throwing piss balloons at opposing teams fans. The memories.
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It would kind of be deflating to be "getting" the Denver market 4 years after you lost it. I guess with BYU you get Salt Lake City.....I don't know how the rest of the heavily Mormon Rockies work in terms of TV deals. Would they also secure most of Wyoming and Idaho as well as Arizona/New Mexico?
TV rights wise BYU is a potential cash cow (not surprisingly its very popular for the millions of Mormons across America) which could be a problem. The BYU channel is in a ton of homes across the channel and sports is one of their big selling points. That and they have a deal with ESPN to broadcast all but one BYU football game each year.
You could lure BYU to a conference, and they've expressed mild interest in joining a P5 conference, but you would probably have to dangle a fairly sweet deal for them to bite.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yep - I agree. Do you Texas folks think they will just end up grabbing one of the Texas schools for #12 (Houston I assume or SMU)?
First off: the ACC schools are off the table for 20 years, so the SEC is probably out of the expansion market for 20 years, barring something really strange.
As to who the Big XII will pick up, the problem with forecasting that is trying to figure out what their objective is, and that is made much more challenging by the fact that there isn't a common objective across the membership.
One motive appears to be maximizing short term revenue. Someone figured out that by adding new members, for which the Big XII's TV partners have agreed to increase the conference's payout pro rata, but by only giving these new members a partial share (as has been their practice), the existing members can bank a few extra million per year over the short term, and be no worse off after the hazing period expires. So, from that standpoint, who they add doesn't seem to matter much as how many.
Then, there may be a move here to try to solidify the position of the league in the short term (provide a geographic fit, of sorts, for WVU) and in the long term (provide enough schools so that the conference would survive as a P5 school if Texas, OU, and a couple of other schools were to leave when the grant of rights expires in 2024). Cincinnati ticks the box on the first one. The second factor might auger in favor of adding another Texas school (offsetting the fact that it does little for their market right now).
To me, Cincinnati is the most obvious. If the go to four, which seems like a possibility, they could take three northern schools (Cincinnati, BYU, and Memphis), and one southern school (UH), then break into two 7-team divisions. Short of that, the only way they can take UH is if they do not break into division for football, which I think they can do with the NCAA rules on conference championships (but would have to check to make sure).
Ultimately, whenever ESPN and Texas pull the plug on LHN, I think that Texas, OU, Texas Tech, and OSU are going to the Pac. It's possible Texas and OU could go elsewhere, but I don't see them hanging around in a conference that includes a handful of commuter schools.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:17 pm to Farmer1906
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ECU has finished ranked twice in their entire history. They were last ranked 9th in 1991. They're not even close to SEC ready.
By that standard, neither is Vandy
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:22 pm to Pinche Cabron
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By that standard, neither is Vandy
Vandy is a private school though
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think the best fit for the Big XII would be BYU and Houston...but I wouldn't be surprised a bit to see 'em tap into the Florida market with either UCF or USF...or perhaps both...
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:37 pm to twk
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First off: the ACC schools are off the table for 20 years, so the SEC is probably out of the expansion market for 20 years, barring something really strange.
You mean like the XII disintegrating if their GOR isn't extended?
If that happens their will be a free for all for Texas, Oklahoma and probably Kansas.
If the SEC powers view any as a quality add they need to be working the backchannels now.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Largest Football Stadiums by capacity (non power-5) 40,000+ only:
UAB (Legion Field) - 71,594
Rice - 70,000
Temple (Lincoln Financial) - 69,172
UMass (Gillette Stadium) - 68,756
UTSA (Alamodome) - 65,000
BYU - 63,725
Memphis (Liberty Bowl) - 62,380
Air Force - 52,480
UTEP (Sun Bowl) - 51,500
Hawai'i - 50,000
East Carolina - 50,000
UCF - 45,323
Fresno State - 41,031
South Alabama - 40,646
Cincinnati - 40,101
New Mexico - 40,094
Houston - 40,000
UConn - 40,000
Army - 40,000
UAB (Legion Field) - 71,594
Rice - 70,000
Temple (Lincoln Financial) - 69,172
UMass (Gillette Stadium) - 68,756
UTSA (Alamodome) - 65,000
BYU - 63,725
Memphis (Liberty Bowl) - 62,380
Air Force - 52,480
UTEP (Sun Bowl) - 51,500
Hawai'i - 50,000
East Carolina - 50,000
UCF - 45,323
Fresno State - 41,031
South Alabama - 40,646
Cincinnati - 40,101
New Mexico - 40,094
Houston - 40,000
UConn - 40,000
Army - 40,000
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:49 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Didn't they remove the upper deck at Legion field?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:06 pm to Mizz-SEC
quote:quote:You mean like the XII disintegrating if their GOR isn't extended? If that happens their will be a free for all for Texas, Oklahoma and probably Kansas. If the SEC powers view any as a quality add they need to be working the backchannels now.
First off: the ACC schools are off the table for 20 years, so the SEC is probably out of the expansion market for 20 years, barring something really strange.
The Big XII GOR will only be allowed to expire if Texas and OU have already decided to leave. The SEC has no need to add these schools, whereas the Pac-12 would be desperate to get them. It's like when A&M left the Big XII for the SEC--losing A&M wasn't as much of a loss for the Big XII (having 3 other Texas schools) as it was a gain for the SEC. If OU and Texas are free agents, the Pac needs them a lot more than the SEC does.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:17 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The only teams that ever even come close to filling those stadiums on a semi-consistent basis are
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BYU - 63,725
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Hawai'i - 50,000
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East Carolina - 50,000
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UCF - 45,323
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Fresno State - 41,031
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Cincinnati - 40,101
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Houston - 40,000
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UConn - 40,000
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Army - 40,000
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:19 pm to Scoreboard
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Didn't they remove the upper deck at Legion field?
Yep
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:22 pm to twk
That may or may not be true, depending on how the television delivery system evolves.
If name brands start to trump state footprints as cord cutting continues, Texas and Oklahoma would be the only prize jewels available for the next 20 years. That kind of name recognition can't and shouldn't be ignored out of hand.
How strong would the SEC brand look if Texas, OU and Kansas went to the B1G?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 5:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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C : #12/14 (ahead of Ole Miss, MSU)
Tied with State. Both ahead of Miss Black Bears
Posted on 7/21/16 at 5:56 pm to StopRobot
You can stop mentioning ACC schools as possible expansion targets. Just signed deal with ESPN for ACC network with an extension of grant of rights to 2036. ND signed as well.
Things were a little iffy three years ago however.
Things were a little iffy three years ago however.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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BYU
2010 - 61,381
2011 - 60,265
2012 - 61,161
2013 - 61,225
2014 - 57,141
2015 - 58,532
Inb4 players' wives section
Also, UCF is disappointing, considering how many students they have.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:14 pm to Decker
Can someone tell me why they like nc state and Virginia tech for the sec. I know very little about the schools except I don't think they would compete in football. I guess they would recruit better instate being the only SEC school there but I don't know about the talent in either state either
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:15 pm to DocHoliday11
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Can someone tell me why they like nc state and Virginia tech for the sec.
Markets, Markets, Markets.
It immediately makes North Carolina and Virginia (and by proxy Washington D.C./Alexandria) "SEC States".
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:22 pm to dlc83
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You can stop mentioning ACC schools as possible expansion targets. Just signed deal with ESPN for ACC network with an extension of grant of rights to 2036. ND signed as well.
Don't bring pesky facts up into this discussion.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 12:27 am to stlslick
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Colorado has been wanting to be a Pac12 member for 20+ years, before they left.
Super liberal college that always felt they were better than anyone in Big8/12, and felt conference was a bunch of heyseeds.
yes, this exactly. those other dudes have no idea what they're talking about lol PAC 12 and CU are a perfect fit.
i've spent alot of time in Boulder and Boulder has alot more in common with Berkeley and Eugene than Norman and Lawerence.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 12:39 am
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