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Speaking of possible expansions (Big XII and SEC) - best attendance non P5
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:55 pm
BYU should be in a real league.
2010 - 2015
Boise State
2010 - 33,269
2011 - 34,018
2012 - 35,404
2013 - 34,366
2014 - 32,504
2015 - 33,612
BYU
2010 - 61,381
2011 - 60,265
2012 - 61,161
2013 - 61,225
2014 - 57,141
2015 - 58,532
Central Florida
2010 - 39,614
2011 - 34,283
2012 - 34,608
2013 - 42,084
2014 - 37,812
2015 - 30,065
Cincinnati
2010 - 35,067
2011 - 32,293
2012 - 29,138
2013 - 31,771
2014 - 28,840
2015 - 37,096
East Carolina
2010 - 49,665
2011 - 50,012
2012 - 47,013
2013 - 43,985
2014 - 44,786
2015 - 43,274
Hawaii
2010 - 37,311
2011 - 31,785
2012 - 30,031
2013 - 30,989
2014 - 27,451
2015 - 23,433
Houston
2010 - 31,728
2011 - 31,731
2012 - 27,247
2013 - 24,256
2014 - 28,311
2015 - 33,980
Memphis
2010 - 23,918
2011 - 20,078
2012 - 24,371
2013 - 28,537
2014 - 33,851
2015 - 43,802
Navy
2010 - 32,653
2011 - 34,611
2012 - 32,363
2013 - 35,588
2014 - 32,502
2015 - 32,338
San Diego State
2010 - 34,133
2011 - 39,865
2012 - 30,879
2013 - 33,224
2014 - 32,406
2015 - 29,066
South Florida
2010 - 40,849
2011 - 44,550
2012 - 44,130
2013 - 34,702
2014 - 30,694
2015 - 26,578
2010 - 2015
Boise State
2010 - 33,269
2011 - 34,018
2012 - 35,404
2013 - 34,366
2014 - 32,504
2015 - 33,612
BYU
2010 - 61,381
2011 - 60,265
2012 - 61,161
2013 - 61,225
2014 - 57,141
2015 - 58,532
Central Florida
2010 - 39,614
2011 - 34,283
2012 - 34,608
2013 - 42,084
2014 - 37,812
2015 - 30,065
Cincinnati
2010 - 35,067
2011 - 32,293
2012 - 29,138
2013 - 31,771
2014 - 28,840
2015 - 37,096
East Carolina
2010 - 49,665
2011 - 50,012
2012 - 47,013
2013 - 43,985
2014 - 44,786
2015 - 43,274
Hawaii
2010 - 37,311
2011 - 31,785
2012 - 30,031
2013 - 30,989
2014 - 27,451
2015 - 23,433
Houston
2010 - 31,728
2011 - 31,731
2012 - 27,247
2013 - 24,256
2014 - 28,311
2015 - 33,980
Memphis
2010 - 23,918
2011 - 20,078
2012 - 24,371
2013 - 28,537
2014 - 33,851
2015 - 43,802
Navy
2010 - 32,653
2011 - 34,611
2012 - 32,363
2013 - 35,588
2014 - 32,502
2015 - 32,338
San Diego State
2010 - 34,133
2011 - 39,865
2012 - 30,879
2013 - 33,224
2014 - 32,406
2015 - 29,066
South Florida
2010 - 40,849
2011 - 44,550
2012 - 44,130
2013 - 34,702
2014 - 30,694
2015 - 26,578
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 1:57 pm
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
No thanks to any of them in the SEC.
Edit: Good info thought. It really puts in perspective of how small they are compared to the SEC.
Edit: Good info thought. It really puts in perspective of how small they are compared to the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
BYU stands out in the crowd for sure.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:59 pm to Farmer1906
ECU, bitch! 
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:03 pm to cardboardboxer
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BYU stands out in the crowd for sure.
Here is where BYU's attendance would have ranked in the SEC, ACC, Big XII in 2010 (using current day alignment)
2010
SEC : #12/14 (ahead of Ole Miss, MSU)
ACC : #4/12 (behind Clemson, FSU, VT)
BXII : #3/10 (behind Texas, OU)
They'd be an upper echelon attendance leader in every league but the SEC and Big Ten.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:03 pm to MontyFranklyn
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ECU, bitch!
ECU has finished ranked twice in their entire history. They were last ranked 9th in 1991. They're not even close to SEC ready.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:05 pm to Farmer1906
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ECU has finished ranked twice in their entire history. They were last ranked 9th in 1991. They're not even close to SEC ready.
Nope - but they would seem to be with that group of 5-6 who are in the next to move up a level group from non-P5 (UConn, UCF, USF, Memphis, ECU, Houston).
They have great support for a pretty mediocre to above average program.
Another one who smaller conferences should pay attention to is Appalachian State. They have averaged > 25,000 a year for like 5-10 straight years now (including their years in 1AA). Another state school in a big, growing state that is becoming bigger and bigger.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Nope - but they would seem to be with that group of 5-6 who are in the next to move up a level group from non-P5 (UConn, UCF, USF, Memphis, ECU, Houston).
Let the Big 12, Pac 12, and ACC pull from the non power 5. We should be pulling from other power 5 if we choose to expand.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They'd be an upper echelon attendance leader in every league but the SEC and Big Ten.
Which makes them the obvious 11th team for the Big 12. The question is who is 12 and none of those attendance figures make it obvious. I think then you have to start looking at program revenues as a comparison.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:08 pm to Farmer1906
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Let the Big 12, Pac 12, and ACC pull from the non power 5. We should be pulling from other power 5 if we choose to expand.
No doubt, totally agree.
My list, if we decide on it, would be (in no order)
- NC State
- Virginia Tech
- Oklahoma
That's really about it. I'd add UVA and UNC but that is never going to happen, they'd join the BIG if the ACC collapsed.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:09 pm to cardboardboxer
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Which makes them the obvious 11th team for the Big 12. The question is who is 12 and none of those attendance figures make it obvious. I think then you have to start looking at program revenues as a comparison.
Yep - I agree. Do you Texas folks think they will just end up grabbing one of the Texas schools for #12 (Houston I assume or SMU)?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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SEC : #12/14 (ahead of Ole Miss, MSU)
Vandy?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:10 pm to cardboardboxer
Gotta be Houston. Adds next to no new viewers but they keep the geographic integrity and the Cougars have Baylor/TCU potential
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:11 pm to BackInBlackTiger
Might have been #11 then
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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My list, if we decide on it, would be (in no order)
- NC State
- Virginia Tech
- Oklahoma
That's really about it. I'd add UVA and UNC but that is never going to happen, they'd join the BIG if the ACC collapsed.
Those are basically who I want.
UNC & UVA would be my top choice. I would take UNC/Duke if that is what it took to get North Carolina. Plus that makes a great basketball addition.
OU would be my choice only after getting shut down by UVA, VT, NS ST, UNC, & Duke.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
For some reason in Texas conference realignment/expansion and politics are intertwined historically. If that is still the case UH has a shot. If not I would bet they are blackballed.
If I was the Big 12 the obvious choices are Cincy (best geographic bridge to WV) and BYU. At 14 the next best are Memphis (Fex Ex sponsorship would be worth a ton) and probably UCF.
If I was the Big 12 the obvious choices are Cincy (best geographic bridge to WV) and BYU. At 14 the next best are Memphis (Fex Ex sponsorship would be worth a ton) and probably UCF.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Tcu and Baylor struggle to get 40,000
So attendance isn't everything I guess...
So attendance isn't everything I guess...
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:13 pm to Glorious
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Adds next to no new viewers
Thats a big negative when the whole point of expansion is to try to keep up with the Joneses on money.
I think the Big 12 learned its lesson adding TCU over Louisville but we will see.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I know nobody adds teams based on what "feels right" or "seems to make sense", but BYU seems like a good fit. UConn obviously feels like an insane fit. Outside of the Texas schools (due to the old SWC stuff), I can't really see a "good fit" add there.
Examples, the last rounds of realignment, I'd define Good Fit/Bad Fit as
Good Fit
Colorado to Pac XII
Utah to Pac XII
TCU to Big XII
Texas A&M to SEC
Meh Fit
Nebraska to Big Ten
Missouri to SEC
Bad Fit
Rutgers to Big Ten
Maryland to Big Ten
West Virginia to Big XII
Examples, the last rounds of realignment, I'd define Good Fit/Bad Fit as
Good Fit
Colorado to Pac XII
Utah to Pac XII
TCU to Big XII
Texas A&M to SEC
Meh Fit
Nebraska to Big Ten
Missouri to SEC
Bad Fit
Rutgers to Big Ten
Maryland to Big Ten
West Virginia to Big XII
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:17 pm to Farmer1906
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Those are basically who I want. UNC & UVA would be my top choice. I would take UNC/Duke if that is what it took to get North Carolina. Plus that makes a great basketball addition. OU would be my choice only after getting shut down by UVA, VT, NS ST, UNC, & Duke.
Yea, I think UVA/UNC/Duke have a pretty hardened view of the SEC as beneath them academically and culturally and see themselves as much better fits in the B1G. I doubt they would ever join the SEC.
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